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What was not in the Indictment? What was not in the Indictment?

04-17-2011 , 02:24 AM
These are just a few questions and observations that I hope will open up a constructive discussion about what is and is not present in the indictments.
After reading the indictments and press releases from the FBI and DOJ it is pretty obvious the arrest of Daniel Tzvetkoff is the key to the whole case. I am not a prosecutor, attorney or federal agent but there are a few things that really jump out.

First, it is a common and very effective tactic to stack and over charge when requesting indictments / warrants. This is a very narrow prosecution and the loss of supporting evidence from a discredited informant could topple the entire case. It appears to me they are putting quite a few eggs in this basket.

Second, No Casino or Sportsbook sites. I see no real effort to attach any of this to anyone other than Poker Sites. They appear to be going to great lengths to stay within the parameters of the information trace provided by Tzvetkoff. Money Laundering on that level exists at dozens if not hundreds of online casino operations which would be far easier convictions.

Third, The DOJ, while staying completely away from the Wire Act, did go to great lengths to point out illegal gambling in states where gambling was specifically illegal. This implies a federal enforcement of a state law? Without the Wire Act to back it up Interstate Commerce would not be enough here would it?

Fourth, Timing? Why the sudden action after six years? There is not much danger in Tzvetkoff's information going stale and waiting a bit would have only strengthened their cases against other sites.

Fifth, Why go out of their way to avoid the AP/UB scandal? Why include Scott Tom but exclude them from the Money Laundering. Why only one US Bank included?

Sixth, I find it extremely interesting that they have chosen the two most likely sites to fight and win. PS and FTP have the money money to defend themselves and are licensed/regulated operators in their host countries. They are not the 'Low hanging fruit' the DOJ usually goes after.

The one good thing about the indictments is we not have the opportunity through Discovery to see the evidence and dissect it here.
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04-17-2011 , 02:29 AM
On number 4, the federal law says it's illegal to accept funds for illegal games. It is the state law in Washington that actually makes poker an illegal game (if there was no law saying it was illegal, the federal law wouldn't apply

Why PS and FT? If these two HUGE companies go down it will shake the whole industry. Taking down some percentage of the two bit casino sites down would barely be noticed.
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04-17-2011 , 04:09 AM
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Originally Posted by RGC2005
Fourth, Timing? Why the sudden action after six years? There is not much danger in Tzvetkoff's information going stale and waiting a bit would have only strengthened their cases against other sites.

Fifth, Why go out of their way to avoid the AP/UB scandal? Why include Scott Tom but exclude them from the Money Laundering. Why only one US Bank included?

Sixth, I find it extremely interesting that they have chosen the two most likely sites to fight and win. PS and FTP have the money money to defend themselves and are licensed/regulated operators in their host countries. They are not the 'Low hanging fruit' the DOJ usually goes after.
When Tzvetkoff's trial date rolls around and his case disappears quietly, the Feds would've tipped their hands.

The AP/UB scandal is incredibly complicated and the potential payoff is small. You need plenty of rats to roll over, tipping your case, and what are the penalties anyway? You get 20 years or whatever for bank fraud and cheating in poker will probably serve concurrently anyway.
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04-17-2011 , 04:44 AM
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Originally Posted by RGC2005
Fourth, Timing? Why the sudden action after six years? There is not much danger in Tzvetkoff's information going stale and waiting a bit would have only strengthened their cases against other sites.
It's not sudden. They have been building this case all along. Basically, they strong-armed a payment processor or two with the early seizures. these guys no doubt put the feds on the trail of Stars, FT and AP/UB, and provided information used to obtain this indictment. They followed a trail from the processors to the sites; all of the previous cases were building blocks in this prosecution. It took years to put this case together.
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04-17-2011 , 02:17 PM
There's a reason they targeted the major players in the US. Just like everything in government it comes down to big bucks and lobbying. The major US Casinos have alot of money and alot of influence and want that market. When the UIGEA was passed those interests were against online poker otherwise it would have been excluded just as horse racing was. I have no doubt you will see online poker legalized within the next 2 years. Obviously Stars and Tilt are done and prepare for Caesars, Harrahs, Wynn and the like.
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