If it's the same rumor I've been hearing, look for Obama to sign an executive order banning interstate i-gaming compacts, small States could possibly get around this for pooling tournament payouts under existing lottery compacts, but small State commercial casinos (Nevada) would be screwed.

http://www.rollcall.com/issues/58_20...1.html?pos=hln
sounds like everybody's on the same page

I just don't get it. Reid is politicking to get a floor vote on the bill next week....just to make Heller look bad. How can this issue possibly swing votes in the state of Nevada. How many Nevada voters are going to read some headline that says "Heller fails at online poker bill" and decide they don't wanna vote for the guy.
It's just completely silly. Reid is really just playing a dirty smear game or he is actually trying to get this thing to a vote ASAP. I wish it was the latter.

Heller is running a house of cards simply to get elected.

Personally, I think both he and Kyl are bluffing, they have no intention of regulating I-Poker with a carve-out only seeking to try and garner votes with vague promises of lame duck.

I agree with Reid, it MUST be pre-election.

Pre-election, Heller should get all the support from I-poker he deserves, otherwise...

obg

Judging by the reaction here at 2+2, Reid is a political genius because almost every post is F*** Heller! Vote Berkley/Democrat!

Both major Nevada newspapers editorialize that if online gambling goes State-by-State it could mean the great depression for Nevada, so while it might not seem like a major issue anywhere else, in a close election in Nevada it might win Reid his 'second seat'.

The real concern should be whether Reid even wants the bill to pass, he's on record saying that Nevada needs to diversify it's economy from gambling into green energy, and one of his son's is a lobbyist for a Chinese firm trying to get a mega-billion$ Solar energy contract.

So Reid could simply say that Heller/GOP ruined the future NV economy, but now he and Shelley have a green energy solution.

why is the real concern speculating about what life would be like if reid went back on everything he's said and continues to say?

you should post more in the politics forum; about the real concern of obama taking away everyone's guns and mandating abortions and taxing all incomes an extra 30%. because the TRUE fear of the mentally unstable totally normal forumposter is not what is said, and not even what is not said, but indeed the opposite of what IS being said.

how does shafting one industry to jump into another diversify nevada's economy? seems like supporting both industries would reach that end, but then again i'm approaching the situation with a much more traditional rationale.

back and forth back and forth

Reid, Heller clash over online gaming bill

So Lamar Smith is working on a Wire Act bill in the House. This could actually be a very good thing for us.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if Reid introduces his poker bill in the next few days to put even more pressure on Heller.

He doesn't have to go back on anything, in his own mind he probably really believes that it's 'all the GOP's fault', but the fact (not speculation) that he has already staked out a fall back solution for Nevada's economy in case the spread of online gambling State-by-State causes another recession should be a concern.

The fact that his own son would greatly benefit by this 'economic diversity' should amplify that concern.

unlike you i'm not gonna begrudge his belief in the FACT that the stalemate in congress is precisely all the GOP's fault, although i don't know who you're quoting there. why do you think we've been counting to 60?

your fact about the "fall back solution" can be bolstered with hundreds of other facts about industry opportunities presented to the senate majority leader, none of which are considered "fall-back" to online poker, since nothing is keeping him from only working on one thing at a time.

you said you have a very real concern that he doesn't want to pass ipoker at all. this would mean he'd go back on his many public statements where he flatly proclaimed he wants to get ipoker done, as well as disregarding all this (fake) work he's been (just pretending to be) doing, such as wrangling 45 democrats to vote pro-ipoker 2 months before the elections. but to you this is all a smokescreen to cover for his REAL intention of inriching his son with an unrelated solar energy deal.

or are online poker and solar panels so similar that they're virtually the same to harry reid? what gives you the impression he feels the two interests are exclusive to eachother?

Nevada get's a centrally regulated poker market = Nevada isn't desperate for Reid to infuse the economy with green energy jobs, and IF his son's green energy project is more important to him personally than Nevada's gambling industry - or he genuinely views a green energy economy as a better future for Nevada than i-poker, take your pick - that could mean a less than 100% effort on his part to pass a poker bill.

Perhaps he just throws the casino's a bone by moving forward with a Wire Act amendment with no poker carve out at all, fine for Nevada, at least people would still need to travel in order to gamble.

Loving the posting here.

I don't think the green jobs thing hurts the poker bill any more than any other interests Harry Reid probably has. Unless there is clear evidence that he is focusing on a non poker bill while not focusing on poker.

The first one is definitely wrong, regulated poker passing isn't going to all of a sudden cure Nevada's need for jobs, or even provide enough jobs to say "ok we don't need any green jobs anymore."

Green economy over ipoker, I don't think that makes sense either. They aren't conflicting interests, it's not like the casinos are coal mines.

But it could make sense that Reid prioritizes the green jobs stuff. Any evidence of this actually being the case though?

the world isn't black and white. a good thing for nevada doesn't preclude a very different good thing from being attractive to the state. your contention that reid is gonna tank ipoker just so he could string the state along toward financial ruin, leading the legislature to hastily buy into his son's lobbying for a crooked chinese solyndra-clone.. is far fetched for those of us that don't believe in your assertions of reid's motives that are based entirely on circumstantial evidence and by reading repeated public statements oppositely.

you must really dislike harry reid to perform these kinds of mental gymnastics just to convince yourself and others that he ISN'T really working to pass a federal ipoker bill, despite the mountain of obvious indicating otherwise.

This from the guy that warns everyone that Heller will break his pledge on poker because he changed an opinion about abortion, politarding forum is further down on the list on the left hand side of the screen.

I want a nasty burn via a Shakespearean reference. DQ, where ya at, buddy? Back to the thread, so...I should just check back in Monday, right?

It was the timing more than the issue, the day Howard Stutz wrote about how desperate Nevada needed i-poker (or more precisely, how desperately they needed i-poker not to go State-by-State, quoting one casino owner as saying it would cause a double-dip recession), he comes out of left field talking about the need for Nevada to diversify it's economy with green energy.

A little digging revealed his son's interest in some Chinese solar project, it might mean nothing, but it's factual information everyone can choose to make of what they will.

lol pledge. what has he done for ipoker except indicate a yea vote?

i discussed the heller berkely race in the heller thread in this forum, and i didn't mention his flip-flopping as a negative. i don't see flip-flopping as a negative. if someone changes their opinion then i understand they can change their mind, not everyone can be right about everything from day 1, and i would never begrudge a politician for rethinking an opinion-- i see that as a good thing. this is another made-up assertion by you that this time doesn't even contain factual pieces. it's not only misrepresentative of my own political analysis, it's misrepresentative and intentially overly simplistic of the argment against electing senator heller as a whole.

your agenda is to sell the theme that federal ipoker legislation isn't gonna happen. you twist reality and take it upon yourself to connect dots with a story you make up on the spot, to confirm a conclusion you already came to before you even started looking for evidence.

My agenda? My obsession since BF has been to find a way to help legislation happen, and if that sometimes involves looking under the hood of one of your political heroes who gave his golden word that he would do everything in his power to make sure that happens, so be it.

apology not accepted.

I should apologize for your hypocrisy?

for implying i'm a partisan hack after attributing someone else's lame argument to me, and using that to imply you're too expert a debater to respond to such a heckler. you're not a good debater; you're a liar with no shame.

and are you gonna explain calling me a hypocrite or are you just gonna pop another insult in here and pretend to ignore that too?

fyp

There are numerous posts in several different threads suggesting that Heller is some kind of double agent, none of which provoked a response from you in his defense - nor should they, it's always wise to question the motives of any politician - but the one suggestion that your boy Reid might have an ulterior motive has you Screaming like an Asian (or any other race of) baby.

Both you guys are wrong. Reid is an idiot. I'm surprised he can find his office.

Nevada had a diverse economy until Reid convinced Obama to shut down yucca mountain. When ask about laying off 3000 engineers and scientists during the economic downturn Reid said; " those aren't the kinds of jobs we want in Nevada".

This is epic

I swear tamiller had a debate coach somewhere along the line who told him "If you get caught on something just move the goalposts, they'll never notice" and he's run with it ever since.