Its going to be Thursday tommorow. Thats no longer the begining of the week, Iam allmost glad they are gone from the US.

i think u guys are freaking out for no reason, unlike UB, full tilt is still up and running and even if they don't have the cash to pay right this minute (unlikely) they will have it in the future.

i was completely shocked at how quickly stars paid out the players. i think if full tilt pays out next week it will still have been very fast. when black friday hit i was figuring we would be repaid sometime between several months and never.

This situation makes me glad I never kept my entire BR online. I'm sure I'm not alone here in wanting everyone to have their money so we can all focus on the fight.

From Twitter

FTPDoug Doug
When we come back up from the downtime in the morning, the new Answers post will have some US player news (but not all the answers).



So in other words....FT is going to make another announcement about us not getting our money yet. Pretty standard operating procedure by FT.

Edit: Must need super extra approval again to tell us that at some point they will announce that they will be making an announcement about the announcement of when we possibly might be getting our money back....give or take a few months.

Seriously want to tell all my non-US horses to pull all the money off FT and only play Stars, Party, etc.

Stars money safe and sound, FTP.....

I'm not freaking out over FTP. I think the timeline where Stars got their money back to the players was absurd. If you'd told me on April 15th that I'd have every dollar from FTP within a month, I'd have said awesome and thanked FTP for getting us our money so quickly.

What is inexcusable is the lack of communication. People have tens and hundreds of thousands of dollars on their site and they're not communicating. They wait 2 weeks and decide to finally open their mouths. This bull**** with them posting an announcement early this week just makes things worse. Wedesday is over? That's not early this week. If you didn't have a proper timeline for when you were going to provide INFORMATION, then don't tell people that you do because they are expecting it.

If Full Tilt Poker had simply come out and said something to the tune of "To our US customers: We have cut a deal with the DOJ to return your funds to you. We don't have a timeline for when this will bet yet since we have to work with the DOJ to set up payment processors, figure out what to do with unused FPP balances, Iron Man medals, etc. We apologize for the lack of details at this point, but we will do our best to communicate any pertinent updates to you as soon as we can. Rest assured your money is safe with Full Tilt Poker and we are doing everything that we can to return your funds as soon as possible...."

How hard is it to give people some rough outline of what's going on and what to expect? That's a million times better than sitting there and not saying a thing.

one thing's for sure, is that if I ever get my $ back, I won't ever play on ftp.

this x10. It's unfortunately majority of companies are run by men who have very little insight into psychological behavior, as poor service and simple stuff like this, goes a long way in stigmatizing many people in the future. Really disgusted with ftp right now, but patient and trying not to think about it (as I'm fairly confident we get our money).

Yeah, I wish communication was better, but as was just pointed out and I said before, a couple of months is a reasonable time frame to me given what happened. I think Stars was just beyond fast with their actions. I am not really worried about my money because I think FTP knows what is act risk globally if they don't pay Americans their money. I mean, who would then trust them after that? They don't want to have that happen and affect future earnings.

like wtf is this a joke? should i take this serious as i have def. not received any funds my bank balance is like $5 i'd notice. should i oblige and send the documents they're asking for?

Hello Armando,

We have confirmed that the amount of $xxxx was successfully processed to your bank account on 3/31 and has not been returned to us.

Full Tilt Poker uses several third party payment processors. As a result the billing descriptor listed on your bank statement may be unfamiliar to you.

We recommend rechecking the bank statement that corresponds to the bank account number listed above, beginning with the date it was approved to the current date.

If you are still unable to locate the transaction, please provide us with a copy of your bank statement from the original approval date until the current date so we can investigate further.

If you bank online and do not receive a paper statement, please send a screen shot of your online statement. Before sending copies of your document, please ensure the following requirements are met:

* The copies are clear and legible (96 to 150 DPI or higher recommended for scanned copies).
* The copies include the full document (bill/pay stubs, folded papers and partial sections are not accepted).
* It must display your full name and the same address listed on your Full Tilt Poker account.
* Statements must clearly display your bank's letterhead or official logo and must show your account number
* We can only accept email attachments of 3 MB or less, and attachments can be in either JPEG (.jpg) or PDF (.pdf) format.

Thank you for your cooperation. If you have any questions, please feel free to email us.

Regards,

Emmet
Cashier
Full Tilt Poker

Or.....being an optimist......we will be told we can withdraw, but they will have no answers on how points are ebing handled.....Ii will sign up right now for that.

Latest announcement is up in the zoo:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...5-5-a-1032702/

Here's the text:

LOL....sigh. First time in 2 weeks I've actually felt it might be a long while before we see our FT money. The fact that cashouts aren't completely open to non-US along with the constant "we are working on it" line to Americans could mean bad news in regards to liquidity.

My take on it is that it is taking a lot of decision-making, re-programming and legal passes to work out everything that has to occur before the can start the payouts - converting T$, medals, rakeback, lost withdrawals, etc., etc. They want all their ducks in order, and everything convertible converted before any cashouts start, so each account can be finished off with just one all-encompassing payout. It's just a lot to encompass so it's taking them longer. I'd take the under on cashouts available to US players by next Thursday.

P.S. No, I don't have any inside info.

How does that explain the inability for non-US players to cash out in a regular manner? That would require none of the things you mentioned.

In that case, PM me, I have $3K I'll sell at 95 cents on the dollar. $150 isnt bad for a weeks wait.

I have 36.5k on FTP. With that amount, is it likely they will pay it all out in one lump sum via bankwire, check, etc.?
Had nothing on Stars...what did they do with amounts similar? Any info would be helpful.

Also...FTP is super-lame for releasing its "week of May 2nd" annc. Just to string us along. Poker players have tough skin...we can take the truth...

New FAQ says next update by May 15th.

Stars bankwired that amount out.

EDIT: Possibly Direct Transfer too, cant remember the cutoffs, but you got a lump sum sometime last week or this week.

^^^ Hoping that FTP does the same. Up until BFRI I could only recieve 2500 at a time So hoping for a lump sum when they resolve this BS!

FAQ says next update on progress by Sunday May 15th.

Soooo....yeah, gonna take the over on next Thursday.

Seems like the most rational explanation.

Up to this point I have been a firm, paying member of the PPA. I have had 0 issues with the route they have taken in fighting for our rights but....

Am I the only one that is becoming highly agitated by the fact that the PPA is supposed to be fighting for our rights yet they have 2 board members with *cough* close ties to Full Tilt and we continue to get these cryptic messages from Full Tilt that says absolutely nothing about what is happening with our money? Up to this point it seemed the conflict of interest might not matter since we all assumed we would be receiving our funds back soon. The more this drags out, the more that conflict becomes a huge problem.

We were told by the PPA that we should give it time to pan out before we start railing on FT compared to Stars.....it seems the "grace period" of giving FT the benefit of the doubt has passed. Stars was able to put everything in place so quickly, what about Full Tilt's structure makes it so much more difficult for them? FT has not stated that the thing holding up cash outs is the conversion of points, etc. Surely if that was the problem, they would state that? The only logical answer is that Full Tilt did not have segregated player accounts. If it was anything else, would they not come out and state what the issue is? We keep being told they are going to make announcements only to be told the same thing over and over again with modified versions of what is going to happen with our points. Now we are told that the next update we will get is May 15th??????

Because of PPA's close ties to FT, I feel like they owe it to the players to find out exactly what is happening with our money or Howard Lederer and Chris Ferguson should step down as board members.

Actually there is another option as well. It was mentioned early in this thread (by TT I think) and was dismissed by Skall. FT is using player funds as bargaining chips to try to get the DOJ to release their other accounts.

Given that it is obvious that processors can be set up really quickly through the DOJ, I really can't imagine anything other than these 3 options:

1. They are running with our money (don't think many people think this is true).
2. They didn't have segregated accounts and are having liquidity issues.
3. They aren't releasing player funds so they have bargaining power with the DOJ to get some of their frozen accounts released, thus holding our money hostage.

I just can not ever imagine if the issue was points conversion that they would not make an announcement saying "We are ready to pay you guys out, we are just working out our options on how to deal with points, etc".

Is there something I'm missing and that there are other options at this point that are causing all the cryptic language and hold up?

I think youve been duped by FTP...obviously they can keep saying they are working on figuring out what to do with points, bonuses, etc, all the while waiting until theyve actually figured out how to get us ANY money. Yeah it would be convenient for them to not have to process multiple cashouts for every player, but it is ridiculous that we have to wait for the balances in our account while they decide what to do with extra money...Do you really think this is what the delays are due to?

Im sure if they had the cash on hand they would pay off player balances NOW (as stars did) because this is making them look really really bad. Also how do you explain 2k limits on foreign withdrawals (correct me if im wrong)?