Until there is actual evidence that this is going on there is no reason to bring it up.

If stars starts releasing funds and Tilt continues not to, that's the time to start complaining about Tilt.

Rock
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Doc

First why you say I'm moving out of country to play micro-stakes. That's the most obsurd thing I have heard. I am simply trying to update my address to another state. Also I have no utilities in my name because of my line of work, it makes it easier on my wife.
Which brings me to my last point. What have I done? I've served my country in the military for over ten years so people like you can enjoy your freedoms. I've fought overseas in the wars that are going on. I've helped in efforts to being stable environments and living conditions to people you have never met and could probably care less about so they don't have to worry about going outside and being shot or have their heads chopped off. I've seen guys die a thousand miles from home knowing they would never be able to hold their little girl again. I've helped clean after hurricanes and tornadoes and floods that have ruined the lives of countless people. I've slept in the sand and mud thousands of miles away from my family so that they can have a good life and so that others can enjoy a good life. I have done much more while people like you donate a couple bucks here or their maybe a couple hours of your time here and there so you can make yourself feel better; while most Americans care little about what we do and spit on us one day and ask us to protect them the next. I ask you, what have you really done.

well the reason most of us dont really care about America is we know how they really are. they are all about money, not freedom for their citizens. They could give to ****s about their citizens. As hard as it is for you to fathom most people in the US know how corrupt our government is and that our country is not even close to as amazing as most like to think it is. Thank you for fighting in the wars though. I would like to ask you if u question though. Did u agree with what u were fighting for? How often were u risking your life for something that had nothing to do for US freedom BUT the government fighting for vs an industry worth a lot of money like oil.

Agreed.

I just would figure it would be easy to check in with FT given the FT partners ties to the PPA.

Personally, if I was on the board, I would check in after the FT statement because of the problems it would cause my organization should Tilt not repay. Not saying its right or wrong, just saying that's how Id handle it. The PPA seems to trust FT implicitly, I hope they are right.

Somebody has to start releasing funds first, as it won't be magically synchronized. So I think we can chill for a bit after the first company gets going before we start complaining about whoever comes in second.

It stands to reason that Fulltilt will have a more difficult time here, but they are continuing to communicate with us (see recent FTP Answers thread started today) and, as far as I am concerned, giving every indication that they will act honorably.

<sarcasm>

But why should that stop the PPA from jumping down their throat and insisting they promise over and over not to do bad things?

<end sarcasm>

You can call that "implicit trust" if you like. I call it proper respect for someone who has yet to do me wrong.

Skallagrim

PS, the "you" above is obviously not meant to refer to you, pianospike

Link?

voila

Skalla's right.

Look, when I said what I said about Stars releasing funds and Tilt not releasing funds being the time to complain, I'm not talking about perfect-to-the-second synchronization. Use some reason here.

Right now we have no evidence that either site is going to withhold funds once payment processing becomes available and can be set up. So there's no basis to be criticizing Stars and Tilt.

If, hypothetically, there comes a time when this is no longer the case, we can and should criticize whatever site is not paying out the funds.

Nor am I expecting simultaneous releases, or advocating jumping down the throat of existing sites.

I don't get why the characterization of the PPA implicitly trusting FT is wrong or critical or anything. The PPA exists to represent players interests. If the PPA isn't following up with the FT related members of their board about the money of the people whose interests the PPA represents...well, that signals a pretty high level of trust to me. As I said, I genuinely hope that judgement is right.

OK, now you're asking too much.

I figured this would be the best forum on the site to ask this question.I looked online, and the ones offering free downloads make me register and then I have to wait to be contacted. I am looking for a simple IOU type note that just states the one borrowing money from me will payback principle with interest whenever they have the money. Thanks.

As of right now I have somewhere between $4,000 and $8,000 worth of funds intercepted by the Department of Justice (depending on how many of my checks deposited on the day before Black Friday bounce). While it is good news that we will be allowed to cash out the remaining funds in our accounts, I've read that there is little hope for the funds that have already been intercepted.

As the intercepted funds are just as much mine as the funds in my poker account, I have no plans to let the DoJ simply steal them without a fight. Now that the money in our poker accounts is safe, what plan of action can we put together to get our intercepted money back? Let's shift some of the focus onto this because millions of dollars were just stolen from us.

I find it amazing that my money is safer in the coffers of an illegal black market offshore poker account than in the hands of my own government.

agree

Has anyone received their rakeback payment in their fulltilt account today?

Standard that they'd F8ck us out of that.

John Pappas, Executive Director of the Poker Players Alliance will be on the Man Up Poker Radio show tomorrow. This is a live show that takes callers.

You can listen at www.manuppoker.com

The call in numbers are also available there. Pod casts of the show should be available in a day or so.

Spread the word!

I received an e-mail from FTP today about this.

Dear bcartervol98,

We regret to inform you that due to recent actions by the U.S. government, Full Tilt Poker is still unable to facilitate 'real money' play, deposits, or withdrawals by players based in the United States, including the processing of any pending rakeback payments.

Rest assured that our technical and legal teams are working towards a solution that would allow us to return these funds and account balances to you as soon as possible. As always, your player account remains safe and secure, and we apologize for any inconvenience caused by these actions.

We will keep you updated with any information as it becomes available. Thank you for your continued support.

Sincerely,

The Full Tilt Poker Affiliate Team

I got this email today:

Hello XXXXXXXX:

We were very pleased to receive the news that allows US players to cash out their real money balances.

In response to this update, the Cashout Option in the PokerStars Cashier will be temporarily unavailable to allow us to prepare the technical solutions and formulate the plan and processes required to allow you to cash out your balance.

In the interim, any pending cashouts have been returned to your account in order to ensure players have the opportunity to cash out orderly.

Please be assured, player balances are safe. We will notify all US and US territories players as soon as the Cashier is available again.

Providing you with the facility to cash out is our top priority right now, and hopefully all US and US territories players will be able
to cash out via the PokerStars Cashier in the near future.

If your account balance is over 4000 USD you will be required to send documentation at cashout stage. In order to avoid delays at that time
we kindly ask you that you scan and email in advance the following two documents to security@pokerstars.eu:

a) A clear photocopy of your government issued photo ID (front and back).

b) A copy of a recent utility bill or bank statement clearly showing your full name, current address and statement date (no older than 3 months).

Please ensure that you clearly state your UserID. If you have already provided the above documents in the past, you are NOT required to send these again.

We apologize for the temporary delay, and sincerely appreciate your patience and cooperation as we continue working towards providing
you with a solution to cash out.

Regards,

PokerStars Security

Initially, I didn't really pay much attention to it, but then my gf said that she wouldn't send that documentation to them because they're going to hand it over to the Feds. I thought that was a bit paranoid, but IDK. I am now wondering is this a good idea? or have I just let her paranoia get me again?

PS - I pay my taxes, so I'm not worried about that, though I certainly don't want to go through an audit.

Stars has always required this. I had cashed out probably 10-12 times without it, then I FT my first big (signature tournament as they put it) tournament the NHG and all of a sudden they wanted it. It is standard procedure afaik. I was just surprised they waited till I binked a big one to do it after allowing about a dozen cashouts between $600 and $1500.

Besides unless you are a lending institution transmitting money to the sites and falsifying the origin or destination of where the money is going or coming from, you are not breaking any laws.

Mods, please dont move this thread, I really need guidance, and keep posting this question, which ends up being merged into other threads for no reason. Please allow this to remain its own thread.

I recieved two checks that were cut prior to this mess.

I want to cash them, but dont want them to bounce (I think they will)

FTP is not responding to my emails. They simply send a generic email which is over a week old, and has no information pertaining to my questions.

How can I get a response from these people? AT least Pokerstars is responding to emails with a little more character and responsibility.

Does anyone have any advice.

100% will bounce

so what do i do.....the checks going to go "bad"....FTP wont respond.....yet my funds are safe????

Kinda confusing IMO.

DOJ said we will get out money.....but I feel like im in the worst position given I have a worthless check, and zero balance in my account.

seems like id be better off with my funds in my poker account.....my funds are in virtual space.....