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02-10-2012 , 11:43 AM

#151

Palomino

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Originally Posted by ZBTHorton

...you missed the point again.

wtf, lol, this is why I never post anymore...and why I don't get up in the mornings normally

Last edited by Palomino; 02-10-2012 at 11:43 AM. Reason: And why is that the second story that shows up on google?

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02-10-2012 , 11:43 AM

#152

LT22

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02-10-2012 , 11:44 AM

#153

Curtlow

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Originally Posted by ZBTHorton

Check the date.

ZBT saved me from having to buy a new mouse.

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02-10-2012 , 11:55 AM

#154

DonkeyQuixote

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Originally Posted by repulse

Seriously, how legit is GGB? I know I've heard of them before, and they look more professional than... some infamous sources, but where do they rank on the integrity continuum? (0 = Gambling911, 10 = 100% truth)

P.S. I'm officially excited

GGB, i.e Mr. Gros, is a legit source. Not like G911.

The accuracy of what was reported may be questioned, but it is certainly possible for the Governor to tell that to a casino exec bunch and for Mr. Gros to have either heard it directly or second hand. Unlike G911 "reporting", there certainly would be a basis in fact for a GlobalGamingBuisness stury.

(FWIW, I still do not get why anyone would tweet that out like that however, unless it is a trial balloon. So, take it's impact or meaning however you want, the tax bill is a VERY tough row to hoe as is.)

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02-10-2012 , 11:56 AM

#155

payems

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So what are the chances of the payroll tax bill passing in the first place?

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02-10-2012 , 12:02 PM

#156

Malefiicus

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It could be one of those "Last minute barely compromise" deals, but it's as guaranteed to pass as anything in government can be.

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02-10-2012 , 12:08 PM

#157

mag8500

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Originally Posted by payems

So what are the chances of the payroll tax bill passing in the first place?

99%...I'm pretty sure its not even an option of it not passing. Congress will just be fighting over what else is included in it.

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02-10-2012 , 12:09 PM

#158

Lego05

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Originally Posted by tamiller866

It's going to be fascinating if they pass this now, declaring gambling on the internet to be interstate commerce asserts that the gambling isn't occurring within the State therefore Congress has authority over it.

For that notion to be accepted, then we also must accept that PokerStars et al were not bringing a gambling business into NY, the internet was teleporting their customers to a virtual location where gambling is legal.

We know they didn't violate the Wire Act and location based (NY, IGBA) laws don't apply, so unless the government can convince a jury that poker is a lottery and they therefore broke the federal interstate commerce laws regarding lotteries, the UIGEA should never have been triggered.

It may turn out that the laws on the books properly interpreted would have resulted in the same environment the new law they are trying to pass proposes: all gambling on the internet is illegal in the States that have opted out through legislation, States have the right to put lottery on the internet, it's illegal to offer casino games interstate (as they are virtual lotteries) and internet poker while "gambling" is distinctive enough from lottery (non banked) for sites to offer it interstate without compacts to any state that doesn't opt out.

We spent six years begging for new legislation, begging them to tax us, when all we had to do may have been to keep playing and wait for our day in court.

I don't think the bolded is true. I'm not getting involved with the rest of the post.

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02-10-2012 , 12:33 PM

#159

ElrondW

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Just a thought, if the senate attaches this to the payroll tax bill, doesn't the house have to pass a payroll tax bill and then the two bills be compromised to go the president to be signed?

So do we get this through the senate, only to have it stripped out as the two versions are merged into one final bill for signature?

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02-10-2012 , 12:37 PM

#160

jzieg2313

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Here we go, again.

Michael of NJ

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02-10-2012 , 12:38 PM

#161

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The house and senate will each pass their own version, if they are different it will go to a conference committee that both kyl and reid will have significant influence over.

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02-10-2012 , 01:07 PM

#162

ChrisMystery

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"The committee is still hoping to reach a deal by February 17."

Washington Beat: Political Snags Abound As Payroll Tax Deadline Nears

http://www.ny1.com/content/news_beat...deadline-nears

You can't mess with their vacation.

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02-10-2012 , 01:14 PM

#163

gnvsnnkv

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For balance, just to keep us grounded:

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RT @PokerScar: Negotiations over payroll tax cut going badly; Reid will propose his own bill if "talks collapse"-> @nytimes | http://t.co/PgWpMRCC

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02-10-2012 , 01:16 PM

#164

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Originally Posted by sajeffe

This is sickkkkkk: "many state lotteries now generate more revenue than do state corporate income taxes."

Yet my kids' schools are still broke!

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02-10-2012 , 01:20 PM

#165

ChrisMystery

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Originally Posted by Ashington

Yet my kids' schools are still broke!

They used to have a separate school budget. The lottery was supposed add more money to that school budget. Now, they use the money already there for something else and take the money from the lotto for the school's. So, yes, your kids school is still broke.

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02-10-2012 , 01:23 PM

#166

thedinergetsby

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The House and Senate technically have to introduce their own versions of the bill, but they're already negotiating in conference, so it's likely the bills will be the same, unless "talks collapse" as the tweet posted above mentions as a possibility.

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02-10-2012 , 01:24 PM

#167

22riverrat22

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kind of exciting to check in on these kind of things from time to time and know that it really doesnt matter to me anymore because im costa rican now

good luck with your estados unidos

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02-10-2012 , 01:34 PM

#168

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Per Alex Ripps of GamblingCompliance.

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Hearing that a deal b/w Reid and Kyl has been reached to add iPoker amendment to payroll tax bill. Trying to confirm. #poker #iGaming

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02-10-2012 , 01:35 PM

#169

Stinky Stu

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Originally Posted by ChrisMystery

This. The lottery is a scam.

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02-10-2012 , 01:37 PM

#170

nuts busted

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Originally Posted by gnvsnk

For balance, just to keep us grounded:

Let's be realistic here. A deal is going to get done. Failure is the nuclear option and one that neither side is willing to take in an election year, or any year for that matter.

This is the same rhetoric we heard in December. A deal will get done. Reid and Kyl will have major influence in a deal. The only questions are:

1. Will it be a long-term deal or an extension?

and

2. do they have enough political capital to spend on a super UIGEA/Poker attachment?

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02-10-2012 , 01:41 PM

#171

oneonth3run

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Originally Posted by sluggger5x

Per Alex Ripps of GamblingCompliance.

Please please I could use some legitimate good news

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02-10-2012 , 01:42 PM

#172

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Guys get real here. The DNC will have to drop this to get the tax bill passed. Reid got caught trying this once before and got blown out the room. It's bad law making and it's another bad move from a horrible politician pandering to his donors. It's a shame actually and has little chance of happening.

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02-10-2012 , 01:45 PM

#173

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Stop crushing my dreams yo!

Last edited by Regret$; 02-10-2012 at 01:45 PM. Reason: kidding of course

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02-10-2012 , 01:45 PM

#174

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Originally Posted by banonlinepoker

The DNC isn't involved, at all. After lame duck 2010 this became a fight between Reid, Kyl, and the domestic casino industry. The first two seem agreed, now we wait to hear Adelson's press reply........

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02-10-2012 , 01:46 PM

#175

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Originally Posted by banonlinepoker

Have you heard? Reid (D) and Kyl (R) are doing this together. And by the way, Reid didn't "get caught". Reid was always negotiating with Kyl to attach something agreed on. It just didn't work out last time due to time constraints and lack of a bill to attach to. Now there is an agreement in place apparently, a will on both sides to get this done and a bill that has to be passed. The perfect storm.

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