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02-14-2012 , 08:52 PM

#801

mag8500

journeyman

Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 291

Guys, the bill isn't going to be an "Online Poker" bill. Its going to be a strengthening of the the UIEGA Act and will explicitly outlaw online gaming but will carve out poker as an exception. They're going to spin it as if they are doing everyone a favor by outlawing online blackjack and other house games. The more they spin it that way the less controversial it will be.

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02-14-2012 , 08:54 PM

#802

Rich Muny

Former PPA VP

Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 28,240

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Originally Posted by The Deal

LOL
I don't think it should be easy but at the same time I don't think saying if it got passed now it would have been an easy fight would you?

No, of course not. It's been tough. I've been on this pretty much full time for over a half-decade. I've noticed it's tough.

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This isn't someting that just came about. We have been going for this for years with allot of battles lost and allot of huge let downs.

We've won the legislative battles. We've not yet won the war, but we get closer to victory each day.

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Thank you and everone else at the PPA, I truely do appreciate all the hard work you guys are doing! While this has been a long hard battle you guys have made tremendous progress.

Thanks!

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02-14-2012 , 08:56 PM

#803

dirtydiana73

old hand

Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 1,742

Ben White who works for Politico has no clue if the bill was attached...

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02-14-2012 , 08:56 PM

#804

dcviperboy

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Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 2,058

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Originally Posted by mag8500

Agreed, and I'm strangely comfortable with this approach...

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02-14-2012 , 08:57 PM

#805

daveh07

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 3,950

When is the next time that we can look forward to if this bill doesn't have poker in it? Just curious...

also

ONE TIME BABY!! let me cash this thing in. Screw my FTP money one time that I used.

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02-14-2012 , 08:58 PM

#806

Rich Muny

Former PPA VP

Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 28,240

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Originally Posted by Sydien

Are we allowed to change the rules to make him against the rules?

Democratically of course.

No. Sorry.

If he posted the same stuff but in favor of online poker legislation, no one would complain. I am impartial here and I have to look at is that way.

I understand that people bash him. In fact, as he chose a deliberately inciting screen name I'm not very sympathetic to his plight. Still, he can post his thoughts here -- even unpopular ones -- if he stays within site T&Cs.

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02-14-2012 , 09:00 PM

#807

rizeagainst

banned

Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,179

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Originally Posted by TheEngineer

No. Sorry.

If he posted the same stuff but in favor of online poker legislation, no one would complain.

Uhh. Pretty sure if you came into 50% of legislation threads and claimed you knew that legislation was going to pass and then ran away and never offered anything to back it up I would complain. He is not annoying simply because we disagree with him.

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02-14-2012 , 09:00 PM

#808

daveh07

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 3,950

can't you accidentally ban him on purpose though? I am sure there is some terms and conditions you are looking past that can make this happen.

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02-14-2012 , 09:04 PM

#809

Go Get It

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 12,531

Any guess on when we will find out on whether or not poker made it in?

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02-14-2012 , 09:05 PM

#810

LetsGambool

banned

Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 26,568

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Originally Posted by mag8500

This isnt really going to work.

I mean yes, it will be Kyl's explanation, and the bull**** reps send to their constituents years down the road will mention they passed a bill to strengthen the ban against gambling.

The headline will read "xxxx bill includes provision to legalize online poker", and it will generate controversy.

I think, outside of getting Kyl onboard, that spin matters much more for a standalone bill than it does for attaching it in committee to "must pass" legislation. The "must pass" legislation provides the cover and spin.

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02-14-2012 , 09:07 PM

#811

LT22

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Originally Posted by LetsGambool

the problem I see with this bill is that there are simply too many eyes/ears on the payroll tax cut. 160 million Americans want this **** to pass, they are paying attention. Did any average Joe hear about the Safe Port Act? Hardly

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02-14-2012 , 09:09 PM

#812

maulaga58

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Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 2,048

Anybody with any inside info did this get attached or not?

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02-14-2012 , 09:10 PM

#813

banonlinepoker

banned

Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 2,338

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Originally Posted by TheEngineer

No. Sorry.

I'm not very sympathetic to his plight.

Well before Black Friday you wanted the US gov to sign off on offshore poker as it was. This of course was before FTP showed us what we already knew.

I want the same thing you want. Legal online poker hosted, regulated and taxed in the US.

I am not just naive to believe every twitter rumor is all.

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02-14-2012 , 09:11 PM

#814

As armas

grinder

Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 548

Just join the the rest of us in refershing your browser over and over. Its fun!

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02-14-2012 , 09:12 PM

#815

txbarbarossa

grinder

Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 430

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Originally Posted by LetsGambool

I disagree. RIGHT NOW All forms of gambling are legal except sports betting. So "carving out for poker" is still restricting gambling b/c online poker is defacto legal based on the DOJ ruling.

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02-14-2012 , 09:13 PM

#816

daveh07

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Originally Posted by As armas

Just join the the rest of us in refershing your browser over and over. Its fun!

That is what I am doing haha, until I know the answer for sure... staying up for 3 days straight is my plan.

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02-14-2012 , 09:13 PM

#817

rizeagainst

banned

Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,179

Carving out poker doesn't seem to be hugely controversial. There is already horse betting online, the lottery, the stock market and $5000 fantasy football leagues. People seem to ease up on their anti-gambling stances when the subject in question does not fall under the traditional definition of "gambling" (to most this breaks down in their heads as being no more complex than putting $50 down on red or black) and is uniquely American, both of which poker has going for it.

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02-14-2012 , 09:13 PM

#818

Curtlow

old hand

Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,383

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Originally Posted by banonlinepoker

I am not just naive to believe every twitter rumor is all.

Were all adults here. I'm sure we all know this is no slam dunk and don't believe every tweet, but some of us try to be optimistic.

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02-14-2012 , 09:14 PM

#819

BetzPH

grinder

Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 436

its not like reid will say oh by the way im adding online poker to every reporter who asks. i can't imagine we will hear a thing but rumor until its passed

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02-14-2012 , 09:15 PM

#820

maulaga58

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Originally Posted by txbarbarossa

I disagree. RIGHT NOW All forms of gambling are legal except sports betting. So "carving out for poker" is still restricting gambling b/c online poker is defacto legal based on the DOJ ruling.

Yeah its so legal I cant play on my 3 favorite sites ppoker pokerstars and fulltilt. Also I have no security as far as getting my money on any other site.

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02-14-2012 , 09:15 PM

#821

daveh07

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Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 3,950

Just think of a million player poker site and how big the tournaments will be. Think of all the donkeys

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02-14-2012 , 09:16 PM

#822

tomrh3

old hand

Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,328

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...LEFTTopStories

no poker mention, if this thing was happening u would at least think we would have seen something about 'gambling' 'poker' etc pop up in one of these articles

"We still have about 40 million people who are unemployed," Mr. Reid said. "We cannot leave here without the conference committee having resolved a way of dealing with unemployment compensation."

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02-14-2012 , 09:18 PM

#823

kikadell

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Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 10,046

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Originally Posted by TheEngineer

You could always deputize one of us for a few moments and we'll do it ;-)

Is it possible that no news is good news in this situation? Last time we got the news that it wasn't attached before it went through, iirc. Is is possible they're playing their cards close to their chest? (Unintended poker reference)

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02-14-2012 , 09:20 PM

#824

kikadell

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Originally Posted by daveh07

Just think of a million player poker site and how big the tournaments will be. Think of all the donkeys

Think of the drunk idiots in vegas crawling back to their hotel rooms after losing at craps all night, turning on their TV and seeing yet another advertisement for "Caesars online poker". The donk mulls it over for a few moments, lets out a "**** it" and fires up a $500 SNG.

Then theres the average guy going about his day with his iphone in hand. He opens his favorite online poker app and dusts off a few hundred playing PLO.

Money will rain from the sky.