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I want to move from Canada to Austrailia, what do i need to do? I want to move from Canada to Austrailia, what do i need to do?

07-21-2009 , 06:34 PM
I currently live in Canada and i am interested in moving to Austrailia for a year or so to play poker. What do i need to do regarding taxes? I currently don't pay any in Canada.

Also, when cashing out in Austrailia would i just be cashing out to my moneybookers to my normal bank account?
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07-21-2009 , 06:48 PM
Move to Australia? I'm not sure you can move to Australia just like that, you're not Australian!!!

Jeez if you get some luck with this, tell me how you did it, I'm moving my azz to Australia too!!!
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07-21-2009 , 07:51 PM
Well, why couldn't you just go there and play poker?
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07-21-2009 , 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by scatt_man
Well, why couldn't you just go there and play poker?
Well you can always GO there, the question is whether you can STAY there legally. I guess you could go on a tourist visa. These things tend to be 90 days but I couldn't say if that's the case for Australia too.

But if you wanna temporarily move there for say a couple of years, you'll have to deal with their immigration services. I very much doubt they will be too pleased to hear you are a professional poker player!!
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07-22-2009 , 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by BlunderCity
But if you wanna temporarily move there for say a couple of years, you'll have to deal with their immigration services. I very much doubt they will be too pleased to hear you are a professional poker player!!
This never made much sense to me. It seems you would be the ideal economic resident - you're not taking a job from an Australian, and you're bringing in money from all over the world and spending it in Australia.
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07-23-2009 , 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by never_bluff
This never made much sense to me. It seems you would be the ideal economic resident - you're not taking a job from an Australian, and you're bringing in money from all over the world and spending it in Australia.
????????

You may be slightly clueless about the economics of migration?

A foreigner doesn't take a job from an Australian". He either does a job that Australians don't wanna do or does it better/cheaper than your average Australian (local firms become more competitve as a result). That's why countries let economic migrants in... But not any migrant!! They need to demonstrate that they can offer something that is in short supply inside the country (those jobs tend to be very qualified ones or the ones at the low end). Those who would take jobs from Australians are not granted the right to live in the country legally.

In today's globalised economic world, the emphasis is on maximising production at the lowest possible price and the highest quality rather than provide an exact match in employment opportunities for local workers.

On the other hand, the second part of your argument does make a lot of sense sense: You welcome a consumer who is going to do his part in stimulating the economy (through consumption) but where his income is earned is irrelevant in the age of modern open economies.

Evidence shows this: Countries that allow immigration have more dynamic economies than those who reserve their jobs for their own population. But this doesn't apply to poker players (who are similar to artists for instance). They consume but they do not produce.

But really the real point is that the general public sees poker players as gamblers and parasites. Good luck convincing an official that you are going to be an asset to the country!!
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07-23-2009 , 09:38 PM
You would have to get a work Visa - take a look at www.dfat.gov.au - should be details up there...I think.
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07-23-2009 , 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by BlunderCity
????????

You may be slightly clueless about the economics of migration?

A foreigner doesn't take a job from an Australian". He either does a job that Australians don't wanna do or does it better/cheaper than your average Australian (local firms become more competitve as a result).
You're right I'm not an expert in the economics of migration. But I'm pretty sure things are not quite as simple as the rosy globalization picture you paint. There are political ramifications surrounding foreigners taking jobs from locals because they are willing to do them cheaper.
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07-23-2009 , 11:42 PM
To stay in Australia permanent, you will need a permanent resident visa. These are hard to get. You will need to prove that you have some skill that Australia wants (your job needs to be on the "wanted" list). Getting a permanent resident visa took me 2,5 years. Good thing is: once you get in, you're in for life. I moved here 1 year ago (Gold Coast = East Coast) and am loving it.

As a professional poker player, you stand no chance of getting a permanent visa. You will need to leave the country after your tourist visa expires. You can get a (electronic) tourist visa for short stay (<3 months) or long stay (<12 months). See here for info.
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07-24-2009 , 03:08 AM
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Originally Posted by never_bluff
You're right I'm not an expert in the economics of migration. But I'm pretty sure things are not quite as simple as the rosy globalization picture you paint. There are political ramifications surrounding foreigners taking jobs from locals because they are willing to do them cheaper.
Well I don't know that I am painting a rozy picture of globalisation, what I do know is that it is the dominant economic culture right now, that's the way the authorities think, the same authorities who are going to deliver your visa.

In any case, the reality is that countries allow targeted immigration for a reason, letting some workers in such as very skilled ones (skill shortage) or very low skilled ones for jobs that aren't paid at a wage that would make it worthwhile for enough locals to pick them all up. Without highly skilled immigration, innovation would be stifled and firms would lose out as the quality of their products would suffer (or they would have to outsource creating high value added economic activity offshore). Without low skilled immigration, wages would need to increase for low skilled jobs and they would quickly disappear either because firms costs would go up and their products would become uncompetitive, or because the job itself would be delocalised offshore. Allowing immigration keeps the jobs onshore.

Again it's not necessarily my opinion nor do I suggest it is the best way of organising your economy or the world economy, it's simply the dominant economic culture at this moment and that's the way most of our governments structure their thinking. That's the reality.

I'm unsure about which exact "political ramifications" you're talking about but I can tell you what the political impact would be if jobs were delocalised en masse or if local firms were to become uncompetitive and needed to lay off people as a result.

Excessive immigration creates well know problems, notably the possibility that the infractrure cannot cope with the arrival of too many migrants (the UK experienced that very problem in the last few years with massive immigration from Eastern Europe). But too little creates problems of its own (not restricted to those outlined above) and Italians would do well to look into this problem before their economy's competitiveness deteriorate any further.

So a policy of targeted immigration which Australia seems to favour judging by 1S1ckPuppy's post seems to make sense. Poker players do not appear to me as being workers that are crucialy needed regardless of the negative image players have amongst the general public.

Hell I'm not even sure a professional poker player would be able to convinced immigration officials that they are winning players (even that is realistically subject to change) and as a result would not put undue pressure on social services there. It wouldn't surprise me if the overwhelming majority of people saw the arrival of a poker player as a case of a problem migrant, let alone trying to convince them that there are any benefits.

Also, I've only glanced through the Australian Immigration and the Visa Bureau websites but I wonder how easy it is to renew your 90 day tourist visa. It could be that leaving the country for a short while and getting straight back in with a new visa (from the foreign embassy of a nearby country) would be a possible way of getting round the immigration problem if you only wanted to stay there for say a year.

Also being from Canada (or generally a rich country) could help convinced the authorities that you are likely to go back to your country after your stay. It could also help you renew your tourist visa (you could tell them you love holidaying in Australia and want to extend your stay).

It also appears they are looking at your finances in certain cases before letting you in or issuing you with a longer visa. If you are winning big style from poker and you have a bit of cash, that could also play in your favour too.

Just some random thoughts.
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07-24-2009 , 05:27 AM
Very informative post Blunder, you seem very knowledgeable in macroeconomics and globalization.

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Originally Posted by BlunderCity
I'm unsure about which exact "political ramifications" you're talking about ...
Just simply locals getting pissed off at furreners taking their jobs and putting political pressure on their elected officals (e.g. generating xenophobic media coverage, voting them out of office, etc.).
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07-24-2009 , 08:22 AM
I actually looked into this a couple of years ago...still get the odd email from the migration service I inquired with too. My career was posted on the list of WANTED but has since been moved off pending the economic turnaround in that country. Should have followed through with it when I had the chance a couple of years back, but I just might consider it again in the future.

Blunder is correct in his post. And never_bluff...the jobs on the list are jobs that cannot be filled by residents. Either because the skill set is not there, or because of education, or due to the fact that many of the positions are not what you would call 'cherry jobs' and nobody wants them. The very first thing told to me was that if an Australian resident was found who could do the job, they would be given the first oppurtunity to fill it, otherwise it would be filled by migration.

You'll never find Professional Poker Player on the list, OP, so I hope you have another skill you can try to sell them down under.

(hey, my 100th post...your welcome )
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07-24-2009 , 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by STR82ACE
And never_bluff...the jobs on the list are jobs that cannot be filled by residents. Either because the skill set is not there, or because of education, or due to the fact that many of the positions are not what you would call 'cherry jobs' and nobody wants them.
That's not entirely true, at least in the US. I recall seeing a news story a couple of years ago about visas for skilled engineers that mainly went to people from India who were willing to work for about half of what a US citizen could expect to make. There were plenty of locals willing and able to do the job, but companies preferred the visas to get cheaper labor.
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07-25-2009 , 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by never_bluff
That's not entirely true, at least in the US. I recall seeing a news story a couple of years ago about visas for skilled engineers that mainly went to people from India who were willing to work for about half of what a US citizen could expect to make. There were plenty of locals willing and able to do the job, but companies preferred the visas to get cheaper labor.
You are correct, however this required a company to sponsor, which was not free to the company either.
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07-25-2009 , 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by never_bluff
That's not entirely true, at least in the US. I recall seeing a news story a couple of years ago about visas for skilled engineers that mainly went to people from India who were willing to work for about half of what a US citizen could expect to make. There were plenty of locals willing and able to do the job, but companies preferred the visas to get cheaper labor.
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Originally Posted by BullGator
You are correct, however this required a company to sponsor, which was not free to the company either.
This is what happened to a childhood friend of mine in France, an Ecole Centrale Paris and Cornell University Graduate who also had to do 2 years of an undergraduate advanced math program (with the ominous name of math sup/math spe). That's 7 years of elite academic studies!! So he worked as a programmer for Oracle in the Silicon Valley for 4 years. Oracle isn't some random software maker. Market leader in databases and thereabout in business applications. That's for a reason. It's because they get the best of the best, regardless of what country they come from.

He was paid slighlty less than his american counterparts and a US company was getting one of the best workers to fill the position. That sounds a pretty good deal and the price to pay is just 1 unemployed american computer engineer!
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07-26-2009 , 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by No_Notorious
You could but I bet there some legal thing like you need to be a "visitor" in the country for no more than 6 months or like 152 days. If you leave Canada for more than 152 days in a year your free health care is nullified.

You're best talking to a lawyer who deals with this sort of stuff.
the value of Canada's healthcare is in line with the "cost correlates with quality" idea

inb4 someone says "but its free!"
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07-26-2009 , 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by OMGsoRIGGED
inb4 someone says "but its free!"
Would really like to know where this misconception started from. Our health care is UNIVERSAL, but it is definitely NOT free
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07-27-2009 , 02:48 PM
OP, you could probably get a long stay (12 month) tourist visa to Australia, but you'd likely have to show that you have money to be able to afford to stay and that you have every intention of returning to Canada.
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07-27-2009 , 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by OMGsoRIGGED
the value of Canada's healthcare is in line with the "cost correlates with quality" idea

inb4 someone says "but its free!"
I assume you're from the US? I'm Australian (similar healthcare to Canada), but lived in Virginia for 6 years. You fools who say one system is absolutely better than the other just show your ignorance.

One system (Aust/Can) is significantly better for one group of people (the poor), while the other (US) is significantly better for another group of people (the rich, but not uber rich), and there are a massive group of people in the middle for which it doesn't matter as much (although that group is the one most likely to think that 'their' system is the best).
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07-27-2009 , 03:49 PM
Rent a Uhaul
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