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01-28-2015 , 05:44 AM
Lol made my day.
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01-28-2015 , 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by curtinsea
I haven't seen any movement at all towards a compromise, and the two bills currently being discussed simply represent the two competing factions, still miles apart
There is now an independent (grassroots) organization that recently established a standard, common set of protocols directly addressing these type of problems, no? They are called NCLGS.

http://capwiz.com/pokerplayersallian...L/10666288711I

Next time I reach out to my state Reps, I am going to reference them and their ideas. Their whole purpose as I understand it is to help streamline the whole process of online poker for states serious about it. And they also provide guidance for states on most efficient/profitable way for interstate pooling whenever they then consider that too. Perhaps for those of you in Cali, you can reach out to your Reps pushing for this too. It can only help in terms of expediting the bureacratic process over there. You're so close but so far. Nevertheless, there is nothing to lose and everything to gain by suggesting this to your Reps.
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02-13-2015 , 01:14 PM
On compromise there does seem to be some momentum starting to build. Rincon who is a partner with Caesars and Pala published a letter to Gatto/Jones-Sawyer. Both expressing need for compromise and softening on Bad Actor track issues.

http://www.pechanga.net/content/rinc...LnjaXM.twitter

Hopefully, Pechanga will signal some willingness to move legislation forward. I think there is a big conference coming up that might clarify if more progress can be made.

Additional analysis and a listing of the camps:

http://www.onlinepokerreport.com/154...tion-changing/

Last edited by dmyers1166; 02-13-2015 at 01:31 PM.
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02-15-2015 , 12:38 PM
Tribal Moves on Tracks, ‘Bad Actors’ Does Not Bode Well for Online Poker

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The decision last week by three California tribes to embrace licensing racing associations and softening “bad actor” language in proposed Internet poker legislation will not increase the long odds of getting a bill out of the state Legislature, Sacramento officials said last week.

Quite the contrary, many believe an at times heated gathering of tribal leaders at Harrah’s Rincon Resort Thursday may have driven a wedge between tribes that will make it difficult, if not impossible, for tribes to reach consensus.

The Pechanga Band of Luiseño Indians of Temecula and Agua Caliente Band of Cahuilla Indians of Palms Springs remain steadfast in their opposition to licensing tracks and easing “bad actor” and “tainted asset” provisions in online poker legislation.

The two tribes, with support from a few other Indian governments, including the Viejas Band of Kumeyaay Indians, have the political clout to block a bill, industry and capital observers said.

“Without Pechanga, there will be no bill,” said one state official who requested anonymity. The official said it would not be difficult to block a tax bill requiring 2/3rds vote for passage.

“Without Pechanga and Agua on board, it’s going to be tough sledding,” said another high-ranking official who also requested anonymity.
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02-15-2015 , 10:08 PM
State officials who prefer anonymity? God bless America...
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02-16-2015 , 06:17 PM
Same ship different year. It's beginning to sound like a broken record. Who decided to give these Indian clowns power?

And it's obvious these high ranking officials want to be anonymous since they're slimy and don't want to be exposed.
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02-16-2015 , 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by LargeMouthBass
Same ship different year. It's beginning to sound like a broken record. Who decided to give these Indian clowns power?
Nobody 'gave' them power. They are active, they spend money lobbying. Of course they will have more influence than those who do not.

People abdicate their power willingly, by not being involved, not lobbying for change, not supporting candidates who share their vision, not voting . . . .

'the world is run by those who show up'
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02-16-2015 , 10:05 PM
And the US is run by those with deep enough pockets.

Curt, I admire the work you've done in WA and you've inspired me to take more action here in CA. But don't you think with a few million in the right pockets your efforts would have produced stronger results?

Sorry if I seem negative or unpatriotic. Tough to stay positive when such rampant cronyism is so obvious and the general public ultimately doesn't care.
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02-16-2015 , 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by VanDaniels
And the US is run by those with deep enough pockets.

Curt, I admire the work you've done in WA and you've inspired me to take more action here in CA. But don't you think with a few million in the right pockets your efforts would have produced stronger results?

Sorry if I seem negative or unpatriotic. Tough to stay positive when such rampant cronyism is so obvious and the general public ultimately doesn't care.
Money would have helped . . .

But you can't just bribe your way to success, pay off a few guys and instant results. It may seem like that is how it works, but it's not.
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02-17-2015 , 12:40 AM
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Originally Posted by curtinsea
Nobody 'gave' them power. They are active, they spend money lobbying. Of course they will have more influence than those who do not.

People abdicate their power willingly, by not being involved, not lobbying for change, not supporting candidates who share their vision, not voting . . . .

'the world is run by those who show up'
Keep dreaming...
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02-17-2015 , 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by curtinsea
Money would have helped . . .

But you can't just bribe your way to success, pay off a few guys and instant results. It may seem like that is how it works, but it's not.
Seems to me like you can bribe your way to success.
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02-17-2015 , 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by VanDaniels
And the US is run for those with deep enough pockets.

... The general public generally doesn't care.
fyp Google Max Weber.

The distinction between the US being run by those with deep enough pockets and it being run for those with deep enough pockets carries political weight under the right circumstances.

The general public does not generally care, but, there is an anti-elitism theme within the US political landscape.

However,in terms of the politics of online poker, that theme simply is immaterial; online poker lacks a material connection to the general population. This is especially so in California state politics surrounding this issue.

OTOH, the PPA is off to CPAC soon, where it might be able to cobble together a defensive coalition of individual liberty/State Rights support against the Federal Government running the US to prohibit online gambling, at the behest of someone tied to B&M gambling with a deep pocket.
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02-17-2015 , 07:59 PM
Politicians are bought, literally. I have a friend that's running for a city council and he is constantly asking for donations. And this is for being a city council.

If I were to make a $10,000 donation, I'm willing to bet I can have him in my pocket since he owes me. This is how politics works in every level. Let's not embellish and romanticize about their cause. Politicians are basically white collar escorts...
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02-17-2015 , 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by LargeMouthBass
Keep dreaming...
Money does matter in politics. That makes it easy for some to draw an inference that money drives all politics, which would be incorrect. Money talks as loudly as it does precisely because too many do not speak up and advocate for positions in which they believe.

An organized advocacy effort can go a long way to closing the money gap. We saw that in late 2014 when Adelson failed to get RAWA through the lame duck Congress. That was no dream.
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02-17-2015 , 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by TheEngineer
Money does matter in politics. That makes it easy for some to draw an inference that money drives all politics, which would be incorrect. Money talks as loudly as it does precisely because too many do not speak up and advocate for positions in which they believe.

An organized advocacy effort can go a long way to closing the money gap. We saw that in late 2014 when Adelson failed to get RAWA through the lame duck Congress. That was no dream.
When was Black Friday? How is our progress? How close are we to having interstate poker for all 50 states?

One man, Sheldon Adelson, vs the whole poker community. I say Adelson is winning. He doesn't have to pass any laws. He just has to deter laws that permit online poker.

And in California, politicians want to be anonymous since they're getting paid by the tribes. But of course if we show up, things will change.
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02-18-2015 , 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by LargeMouthBass
When was Black Friday? How is our progress? How close are we to having interstate poker for all 50 states?

One man, Sheldon Adelson, vs the whole poker community. I say Adelson is winning. He doesn't have to pass any laws. He just has to deter laws that permit online poker.

And in California, politicians want to be anonymous since they're getting paid by the tribes. But of course if we show up, things will change.
I said money talks, and talks loudly. That's why we all have to keep speaking up as well.

Adelson does have to pass a law. He has to pass a ban through Congress to keep states from moving forward. We're the ones who actually are on defense on the Hill. No action on the Hill is a victory for poker.

It's the opposite at the states, but Adelson can't hold back poker forever. Without a federal ban, more states will move. It's just a matter of time, so long as we all keep up the pressure.
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02-19-2015 , 05:58 PM
And then there were 3 in assembly and 1 in the senate. Only shell bills to be fleshed out later ... info can be found at http://www.onlinepokerreport.com/155...oker-new-bill/
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02-19-2015 , 06:12 PM
The full public statement by Senator Hall and Assemblyman Gray on their new ipoker bill:

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SACRAMENTO, CA – Senator Isadore Hall, III (D – South Bay), Chairman of the Senate Governmental Organization Committee and Assemblymember Adam Gray (D – Merced), Chairman of the Assembly Governmental Organization Committee today announced the introduction of identical legislation to legalize intrastate Internet poker (iPoker) in California.

SB 278, by Senator Hall and AB 431 by Assemblymember Gray, would specifically authorize the operation of an iPoker website within California’s borders and would require the California Gambling Control Commission in consultation with the California Department of Justice to prepare regulations for the operation of an iPoker website.

Federal law essentially prohibits online gambling by in the United States but does allow individual states to offer intrastate Internet gaming, subject to state regulation to prevent gambling by minors or persons located outside of the state. Currently, only Nevada, Delaware and New Jersey allow for various forms of legal intrastate Internet gaming.

For over five years, a discussion of authorizing iPoker within California has remained only a discussion. No California legislator has ever cast a vote on an iPoker proposal. Hall and Gray serve as Chairmen of each legislative house’s policy committee that oversees gaming within the state and are best positioned to lead a productive dialogue on an iPoker regulatory framework. By working together, their legislation seeks to build consensus on a public policy matter that has eluded California for years.

“The issue of iPoker in California has historically been divisive; dealing legislators, the governor and the public a folding hand,” said Senator Hall and Assemblymember Gray. “It is time to work together, stop bluffing and take control of this issue. Our bills do not create winners and losers. Our bills do not take one entity’s side over another. Our bills will give the Legislature, the Governor, tribal governments, other gaming entities, technology providers and the public an opportunity to have an open, honest and thorough debate on this issue.”

“This will not be a rushed process,” continued Hall and Gray. “Any iPoker proposal must put California taxpayers first and must ensure a safe and responsible entertainment option for adults. If done correctly, this legislation could serve as a national model for other states to follow. We think we can do it and we’re all in to move California iPoker forward this legislative session.”
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02-19-2015 , 08:18 PM
Have Hall and Gray been active in the iPoker discussions in the past?
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03-02-2015 , 07:41 AM
(Blog) Dave Palermo: I-Poker Prospects Looks Dim Despite Gray/Hall Alliance
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Despite optimism generated by companion Senate/Assembly bills seeking Internet poker in California, it remains unlikely legislation will make it out of the 2015 session, American Indian leaders, legislative aides and lobbyists said last week.

As many as seven politically powerful tribal governments remain steadfast in their opposition to legislation allowing the racing industry as licensees. They are also opposed to bill language softening “bad actor” and “tainted asset” provisions.

Meanwhile, political observers are not convinced identical “shell” bills introduced by Assemblyman Adam Gray and Senator Isadore Hall, chairs of Government Organization (GO) committees through which a bill must pass, indicate a willingness the two leaders will push to get legislation out of the 2015 session.

“I think it’s an indication they want to get control of the issue. It’s a big issue,” tribal lobbyist David Quintana said of the joint bills, which contain no specific language.

“I don’t think it necessarily means they believe it has to be done and it has to be done this year. I’m not willing to make that leap.”
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...Gatto in a keynote address to the iGaming Legislative Symposium Thursday in Sacramento reiterated earlier remarks to Pechanga.net that he now believes a poker bill has less than a 50-50 chance of making it out of the 2015 session, putting the odds at 35 percent for 2016.

Some contend the Gray/Hall alliance on the issue will at least give I-poker more momentum than it has had in the previous seven years, during which a bill has failed to generate even a committee vote.
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...There are currently three loose coalitions lobbying the issue.

The Morongo and San Manuel bands of mission Indians are partners with Amaya/PokerStars and the Bicycle, Commerce Club and Hawaiian Gardens card rooms. They are seeking legislation without bill language dealing with “bad actor” and “tainted asset provisions and are not opposed to licensing the racing industry.

The Rincon Band of Luiseño Indians, United Auburn Indian Community and Pala Band of Mission Indians have business partners eager to launch poker websites. The tribes and more than 20 card rooms favor legislation permitting the licensing of racing associations with limited “bad actor” and “tainted asset” provisions.

The Pechanga Band of Luiseño Indians, Agua Caliente Band of Cahuilla Indians, Viejas Band of Kumeyaay Indians, Barona Band of Mission Indians, Yocha Dehe Wintun Nation, Sycuan Band of the Kumeyaay Nation and Lytton Band of Pomo Indians have taken a hard line against licensing race tracks and softening suitability standards.
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03-04-2015 , 12:12 PM
is it at all possible to start a grassroots campaign to get a law passed? how would we go about doing something like that? is it at all possible to do something like organize a statewide petition to get a law to be passed? i dont know how politics work but i'd imagine there should be a way for the people to organize and get things done when politicians cant.
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03-04-2015 , 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by ih8ustfu
is it at all possible to start a grassroots campaign to get a law passed? how would we go about doing something like that? is it at all possible to do something like organize a statewide petition to get a law to be passed? i dont know how politics work but i'd imagine there should be a way for the people to organize and get things done when politicians cant.
Sure, there is always a way in our great democracy. To cut the politicians out of the process, you just need to organize a petition to get the issue added as a voter referendum on an upcoming ballot. This usually requires a certain minimum number of signatures in each voting district (although I am not familiar specifically with CA state rules) by the filing deadline. Then you need advertising dollars to promote your vote to the public, and counter the ads of the opposition. The total cost will likely run well into 8 figures for a chance at success.
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03-04-2015 , 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by ih8ustfu
is it at all possible to start a grassroots campaign to get a law passed? how would we go about doing something like that? is it at all possible to do something like organize a statewide petition to get a law to be passed? i dont know how politics work but i'd imagine there should be a way for the people to organize and get things done when politicians cant.
By definition, a grassroots campaign starts with the people. People have to come together, put in the work, raise funds, take meetings . . .

It is certainly within the realm of possibility, but it is very, very hard to get poker players to step up. I think you can look at what was done in Washington State as an example of just how little grassroots support there is for our issue. Only a handful of players even participated in the effort, we couldn't raise any money, and despite the fact that we managed to get a bill introduced, support didn't come from any quarter, and a lot of work was done for naught.

My point of view is colored by bitter disappointment, but it does illustrate the fact that players are not engaged in the issue in numbers anywhere near the level needed, and perhaps more importantly, the gaming interests involved have far more influence, and while they appreciate our loyalty, they aren't doing much to support grassroots efforts.
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03-13-2015 , 01:33 AM
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03-13-2015 , 11:20 AM
It is pretty shameful that elected officials are essentially sitting on the fence while special interest groups argue about what the policy should be.

It is pretty much consensus that online poker should be regulated, it's not a question of should we or could we, but one of how.

We elect leaders to LEAD, they should just tune out the lobbyists at this point, get down to debate, and vote on the bills. I would encourage CA players to write your legislator and tell them to step up and make a tough decision, that is what they are hired to do.
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