You have been brought in to address a long standing problem of personal attacks. No surprise that it's mostly from the liberals - apart from anything else the forum is mostly liberals.

It will help a lot

This would be relevant if there were an equal amount of conservative and liberal posters. But there isn't, so it's not.

You seem mad Cows, you mad?

Lirva,

Remember a little while back when you vehemently argued acism to the point mat created another forum for you to post in? Remember how passionate you were about all of that? And now your opinions have evolved, changed, are different. I’m not saying anything about your beliefs, mind, what I’m saying is you missed a big lesson. That lesson being not everything is black and white, not even your own opinions and beliefs. In a year or two from now you will be different again, in some way small or big. So just ****ing chill.

While I agree with this, I also fear for the lounge members that the pleasures that he obviously gets by pulling out his ban hammer in P will crossover in the Lounge if that becomes his only outlet.

Can I just say that "ambit" is a pretty cool word. I don't think I've seen it before, but now I'm going to use it all the time.

So like, here's an idea: why not head off to BFI or SMP or RGT or the POG politics thread where you can opine about the genetic inferiority of female programmers and won't have to worry about the evil Wookie banning you? We have at least four different Wookie-free subforums where retrograde trolling clowns are free post whatever they want, how about we just have one politics forum for grown-ups who follow politics? It seems like a good compromise imho.

I'm not surprised that you, like many of the like-minded leftie posters in P, don't understand the damage that he is doing to the rest of the site having let his forum get into the state that it has.

Also maybe, just maybe, it shows the state of the site where one even has to contemplate having to do this to try to justify to the masses that they aren't racist.

If Wookie gave me the right of reply and even if he had banned me for the explanation he sought from my very next post, quite wrongly in my estimation, I could have walked away.

Bad enough is the bias that is attached to his every decision, but what makes it worse is that he can't even follow his own unreasonable procedures in dishing it out!

Thanks for proving my point, Bobo.

It’s cute that in your mind a history of posts we can search that show a trend toward bigoted views somehow doesn’t filter into the situation at all. It’s just libtards throwing darts and accusing random innocent people of racism.

I learned some things throughout the 20-or-so times I've had that argument. Not sure what you could learn, since I don't know what you know.

I kind of maybe agree that it isn't worthwhile to worry about the person you are arguing with. Maybe a 1% chance of convincing them to evolve into a properly functioning progressive member of society.

However, it seems like silent onlookers could benefit. It isn't like they teach kids a course on "why the bell curve is junk science" in school, and some coddling might not be a horrible idea.*

I'm sure that is a popular pastime for some people. I find it to be a bit depressing.

I'm not really prepared to present any original research on the topic. I just know (and maybe believe without much evidence) the old liberal ideals about daylight being the best disinfectant and was hoping for a decent defense of it by someone or maybe decent evidence why it is just silly idealism with no practical value in the real world.

Also, you aren't new here, so I'm a bit disappointed that you'd give anyone too much (or any) credit. You shouldn't be making rookie mistakes like that.

*this amounts to what I think is almost, but not quite, an actual argument for addressing people with bad ideas.

If people don't want to be banned for their politics and are afraid that they may do so by bringing up their politics and affect their spot in the forum they don't want to be banned in, maybe they shouldn't be bringing up their politics?

There have been a number of times where I have refrained from posting in a heated politics thread because I was involved in a POG game and being banned would have hurt my team.

If I can find the restraint to keep away from something knowing the consequences, maybe others can as well.

No chance. Conservatives are the party of “its never my fault”. Need some personal responsibility

Stop saying smart stuff, please. That is (at least) twice now in this thread.

Maybe some of those people didn't want to post here because they didn't want to be subject to the same attacks from the same group in politics who like to abuse and call people names (racist, bigot, etc.) who don't agree with their views of the world until they get banned or exiled from the forums. Seems pretty logical to me that they wouldn't come forward.

I don't pretend 1 thread will do it but 3-4 will and I am willing to wait it out for that to occur.

That's what conservatives say about some people they take charge of. Only you are not blaming government like wedge. Yet, tit for tat about personal responsibility doesn't work. When conservatives invoke it, how is personal to anyone while they are involved with it? I totally agree personal responsibility is a way to go to resolve struggles. How ever how could it ever be meant for the impersonal of politics if it's truly personal?

very reasonable suggestion.

Using the word “logical” in your post doesn’t magically make the nonsense you post logical.

I make roughly three reasonable posts a year. Should I feel bad I used one in ATF?

No chance. Until there is a moderation thread in that forum, this is all there is for those aggrieved to raise their concerns about the moderating.

And if you were harassed or threatened by the person that you wanted to make a complaint about, would that make you more or less likely to come forward?

From personal experience, massively more likely.

What I don't think you understand is that I don't mind the way the current politics forum is being handled. I was concerned about political debate infecting other forums to their detriment.

And in the process, I have infected this forum. But I don't mind. I'm sure Gregorio will crack down at some point.

Ever thought that is because there is 10 times the amount of liberal posters than there are conservative posters in P.

Hell, you know that I don't post much but I do read the president trump general thread from time to time and it is nearly awval and Fred Flintstone (Raradevil) that are the only conservative posters that are arguing against a sea of liberal posters so it is no ****ing wonder that is your breakdown of infractions between liberals and conservatives.

It's surprising. That politics habits are so unsociable as to stymie social-ability to discuss our own societies. Surmountable, still.

Oh really and so that wouldn't dissuade anyone, would it?