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09-15-2014 , 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by rjoefish
I'm not sure you know what virulent means here.
I do. I wasn't questioning your use of the term. I was questioning your reasoning.

Virulent is exactly how you want your opponents to be in a debate. It makes them appear to be ruled by negative emotions, not reason and logic.

How can you not win the vote when presented with such an easy win? Stooping to their level.
09-15-2014 , 09:00 PM
I don't think we need to add labels to make Bruce appear to be ruled by his emotions.
09-15-2014 , 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by rjoefish
I'd like to think people could self police themselves on this. Especially someone saying some stuff that would definitely get you in trouble in a lot of work places if it went public. Maybe not throw stones, ya know? That's he's already shown a willingness to go into the real world with posting vendettas doesn't bode well though, but again, if I were him I'd probably not try to take it to that realm.
It's sort of an issue of making this forum good. OOT and BBV4L and PU would be infinitely worse if people didn't feel free to express themselves and talk about subjects they wouldn't be comfortable with their families or coworkers knowing they discussed.

I believe they removed the ability of all mods to do IP searches for exactly what threat Bruce is making. It's a liability to have an all volunteer mod team that had access to private information of your customers/content providers, because don't forget, we are all content providers here.

The insanely popular 4L thread of posting pics of Olympic females probably wouldn't have happened if the original poster thought it'd get around to their boss what they did in their free time. However, thanks to anonymity, 2+2 gained a wildly successful thread that generated massive clicks and searches from google.
09-15-2014 , 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by rjoefish
Yeah...obviously.

For the nephew analogy: If they were to belittle him for not acting in a manner they thought their race should act, yea I'd think they were being racist. Does that help?
So Jewish people saying Einstein was racist for not acting like they wanted him to were racist. But non Jewish people thinking that he acted the way they think he should act were non racists?

Edit: at least you accept the fact that oppressed minorities can be racist.
09-15-2014 , 09:05 PM
I keep hoping this is an elaborate level in the style of Monty Python's dirty fork sketch. Like, BruceZ will come out and say "Good thing I didn't mention my BLACK neighbors!"
09-15-2014 , 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Only certain mods can check IPs. Reds, blues, most if not all oranges, and I would suspect the most trusted greens. It's reasonable to think Bruce would be in that last category were he to want to be, but it's not a given he has IP lookup access.
To make it easier on everyone, please tell me if you can figure out my real name by my IP address (or whether it is even possible).

If you are one of the few oranges who can't, I can pm you it.
09-15-2014 , 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by swissmiss
So Jewish people saying Einstein was racist for not acting like they wanted him to were racist. But non Jewish people thinking that he acted the way they think he should act were non racists?

Edit: at least you accept the fact that oppressed minorities can be racist.
Huh? Where do you think I said anything like that?

As for your edit, it depends on how you define racism. If it's the thought that you hate someone for what they are, or that your race is somehow better just because of being that race then yes. If it's the definition that racism is a system which a group gains more than it's share of power and property through some privilege of being that race then no, nonwhites in the US can't be racist.
09-15-2014 , 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by VarianceMinefield
what does math have to do with racism??? what are u talking bout??
I'm not saying they are, but some races may be better at math than others. Also, some genders. This is something we should be able to explore objectively without fear of being labelled racist or sexist.
09-15-2014 , 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Mat Sklansky
I'm not understanding the point of the back and forth between most of you at this juncture.
It's clear where you stand and you seem to be arguing for the sake of hearing your own voice.
they're testing Mason's theory that as some1 posts on a message board the probability of having a racist outburst approaches 1.
09-15-2014 , 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by swissmiss
So Jewish people saying Einstein was racist for not acting like they wanted him to were racist. But non Jewish people thinking that he acted the way they think he should act were non racists?

Edit: at least you accept the fact that oppressed minorities can be racist.
Oh come on now. The Jews were never oppressed. They were slaughtered in proportion to the crimes they committed.

I really don't see how hard it is for my fellow anti-racism people to understand how easy it is to win the debate.
09-15-2014 , 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by rjoefish
I don't think we need to add labels to make Bruce appear to be ruled by his emotions.
Easy game then. He is exactly the guy you want around if you are anti-racism.

The problem is, if you are anti-racism is that you just can't do the point and scream thing. That makes you equally an emotional person and you have lost the edge that was handed to you!

The interesting bit is that there are people who change their mind after further reflection. Believing that people don't change their minds is dangerous (and incorrect) thinking. Believing that people can be described dichotomously is ridiculous and amounts to a cognitive crime.
09-15-2014 , 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Mat Sklansky
I'm not understanding the point of the back and forth between most of you at this juncture.
It's clear where you stand and you seem to be arguing for the sake of hearing your own voice.
I'd like to know if I can start telling a bunch of racist jokes without being banned if I change my username to Descartes tia.
09-15-2014 , 09:45 PM
Closure could be considered here.
09-15-2014 , 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by 2/325Falcon
I'd like to know if I can start telling a bunch of racist jokes without being banned if I change my username to Descartes tia.
You've built up at least 9 points by entertaining us so joke away.
09-15-2014 , 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by BrianTheMick2
Easy game then. He is exactly the guy you want around if you are anti-racism.

The problem is, if you are anti-racism is that you just can't do the point and scream thing. That makes you equally an emotional person and you have lost the edge that was handed to you!

The interesting bit is that there are people who change their mind after further reflection. Believing that people don't change their minds is dangerous (and incorrect) thinking. Believing that people can be described dichotomously is ridiculous and amounts to a cognitive crime.
Eh, we aren't really debating if his posts are racist at this point anyways. It's now more about what levels of racism 2p2 feels comfortable condoning. So far is seems like the sky is the limit as long as you can even math bro.
09-15-2014 , 10:01 PM
ip address info:

http://askleo.com/can_i_get_someones...ir_ip_address/


"Can you get a name an address from an IP? Yes … if you are the police and have the legal backing to go get it."
09-15-2014 , 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by rjoefish
Eh, we aren't really debating if his posts are racist at this point anyways. It's now more about what levels of racism 2p2 feels comfortable condoning. So far is seems like the sky is the limit as long as you can even math bro.
I would absolutely be content with that being the official 2p2 stance. If Mat and David and Mason want to say that, fine. But instead, David threw some capital IFs in there, presumably because he was afraid of hurting Bruce's feelings. That's not a healthy debate atmosphere!
09-15-2014 , 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Reasonable people can disagree as to the value of his homework help (comparing him to Einstein seems like a stretch, but w/e). If the response from management was "Gee those posts were offensive, but the value we get from his math posts more than makes up for it so we'll let it slide," that might be acceptable. I could respect that point of view. Instead, we get these absurd, ad hoc rationalizations for BruceZ's behavior and a refusal to acknowledge that the people who object to his racist posts have a valid grievance.

And the "SMP guys are so smart" line seems entirely valid when SMP people are apologizing for BruceZ by asserting that his advanced math skills are in some way responsible for his ranting about Pedro and his circus music.
No disagreement there. Just want people to realize that geekism and aspieism is just as bad as racism. (Actually worse since it is more prevalent and black people at least get laid more often than those other two groups.)
09-15-2014 , 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
No disagreement there. Just want people to realize that geekism and aspieism is just as bad as racism. Actually worse since black people get laid more often.
I have the sick feeling this is a serious post.
09-15-2014 , 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Mat Sklansky
ip address info:

http://askleo.com/can_i_get_someones...ir_ip_address/


"Can you get a name an address from an IP? Yes … if you are the police and have the legal backing to go get it."
More practically speaking people often sign up for things like 2+2 with their real name or with an email/username that can be traced back to them pretty easily.
09-15-2014 , 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
No disagreement there. Just want people to realize that geekism and aspieism is just as bad as racism. Actually worse since black people get laid more often.
So awesome.
09-15-2014 , 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by jjshabado
More practically speaking people often sign up for things like 2+2 with their real name or with an email/username that can be traced back to them pretty easily.
Eh, mods tend to do this also. Some even have vCard links in their profiles to help non mods get that info.
09-15-2014 , 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
No disagreement there. Just want people to realize that geekism and aspieism is just as bad as racism. Actually worse since black people get laid more often.
This is just sad.
09-15-2014 , 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
This is just sad.
Changed the wording slightly since I might have been unclear.
09-15-2014 , 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
Changed the wording slightly since I might have been unclear.
Oh, you were serious? And went back and somehow made the post worse? No wonder you're not about to start sanctioning racists...

      
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