Let me set the scene how this all began: After the Versailles treaty and it's unusually tough conditions for reparations, 1920s Germany finds itself with a power vacuum...

Ok maybe I shouldn't back it up the whole way. Point is that there seems to be at least one mod running rampant in POG banning everything on sight.

We are currently discussing whether it's sexist to hand out Ms POG awards. As it currently stands, some of these stricter mods are trying to kill off the event under the guise of it. Heaven forbid we gave out more awards to Anna Kendrick.

Some of the posts that have gotten people banned:
^ Observes everything quite truthfully. Very ironic considering it starts off with pointing out the problems with this nazi regime in POG.

^ Very obviously a joke directed at the female gender. There is a small clique of posters on POG who combine something like 200k posts on 2p2. Never in their lives have they made another poster laugh with one of them. In POG people actually get banned for making jokes.

^ Calling out the joke modding.

As evidenced by the last one - we need a safe space where we can discuss these things without feeling like we have certain mods hunting us down only to silence us.

I take pride in my ability to distinguish whether codswallop has coinage. This is clearly without.

Is it sexist to put up photos of women and judge them just on their age and looks?

Of course it is.

Okay but what about the codswallop?

It's POG

Notwithstanding the Miss POG stuff, which has been belabored to death, Monkey Banana is a whip-cracking mod of a forum that needs next to zero modding.

A barely literate 10 year old who works in a coal mine for 18 hours a day could handle the task of modding POG in his free time. (In fact, if you're out there Little Timmy, please apply to be a POG mod, you'd be ideal)

Anyway, with a forum on autopilot and no place to flex his emerald emblazoned internet weaponry, this dude MB takes it upon himself to create "problems" that he can "fix." It is bizarre, self-righteous stuff.

So I'm not sure if this thread will accomplish anything (besides lol POG), but if I could offer one bit of advice, it would be tell MB to take his finger off the trigger and just relax. Or maybe just remove the trigger.

there is a small clique of mods here that are absolutely out of their minds with abusing their website powers by threatening users with private messages over made up slights that never even happened. SAD! hey here's an idea: why don't you try contributing some actual content to this website instead of shutting down those that do. i'm not sure a lot of these so-called "mods" aren't aligned with ISIS because they are promoting their terrorist agenda TO THE LETTER

they're terrorists. and if mason is reading, he should know that they're also communists

Monkey is by far the worst mod Pog has ever had, and he's definitely been a train wreck in there. He was a terrible pick to begin with, and it got worse from there. Domer is completely right about Pog needing very little modding. Also about Monkey creating a bunch of new problems of his own making.

i am part of the group that told monkeybanana miss pog was sexist and therefore offensive.

monkeybanana then started a thread to discuss the situation

monkeybanana clearly stated in the op to keep the discussion about the subject of miss pog and not about the individuals. he warned if you post about the people instead of the arguments you will be temp banned.

two or three people got banned for one day

monkeybanana is a good dude. and he does a good job. he pretty much single handedly mods the pog politics thread, and it runs pretty smoothly

it's unclear why lenc is so upset, or why he is even posting in the thread at all. he called the whole thread ludicrous, and made 28 posts in the thread. i guess miss oot isn't enough for him? he needs a miss pog too?

All Monkey Banana did was start a thread to discuss the future of a sexist contest, a discussion which the female posters of the forum expressly asked for. I know that VoraciousReader and I thank him for it.

Our thoughts here ^

I heard gender is just a social construct so make someone with a penis Miss POG. Ez game.

The regular culprits again posting absolute nonsense that has nothing to do with tchaz currently being banned because he called the mod a *gasp* knob and the mod retaliated because he makes the mistake of equating cleaning up spam with educating people with how to act and behave.

The posts in question were the result of some of you absolutely freaking out over the thought of losing one aspect of your bikini competition. Next time, don't freak out.

She was asking for it. It was the result of her wearing all that revealing clothing. Next time, wear a turtleneck.

You are not a victim, lenC.

First they game for the Vegas sharps. I did not speak up, because I was not a Vegas sharp.

Then they came for the half canuck hockey slappies. I did not speak up, because I was not a half canuck hockey slappy.

Then they came for the Brazilian-Latvian neo-drone connoisseurs. I did not speak up, because I was not a Brazilian-Latvian neo-drone connoisseur.

When they came for me, there was no one left to speak for me.

MB started things off on the wrong foot by making threats of bans before any problems had actually started, even more so when he's already known to have strong opinions on the subject. That put him in the position of having to actually enforce his threat, and obviously people like domer aren't going to suddenly become capable of disagreeing about anything without making it personal and nasty.

There were a lot of personal attacks in the thread against the two women who posted in it, including posts by several other people (and a mod) who didn't get bans. Both of them had conducted themselves perfectly and were repeatedly called liars and hypocrites and attention whores, etc.

I hate to be put in the position of defending MB's modding in that thread, because I don't think it was handled well, but there were a bunch of people in that thread who unwittingly provided excellent examples of the sexism and misogyny that lurks beneath the surface. It was kind of eye-opening really, even in spite of the fact that no one was behaving out of character.

The people that have been controlling POG and why it's been considered a joke for the better part of 6 years:

Dear Leader:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/55...wrong-1386525/

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=4557

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=4594

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=4598

Permabanned 3 times (or 4. who knows). The pog mods were hand selected to make sure that Dear Leader was a) unbanned and b) would never be banned again. Has a flock of misfits at her disposal that unleash word vomit tirades across multiple threads and forums to avenge the queen.

Misfit 1:

A loyal defender. Also a believer in pizza gate. A real scholar and gentileman.

Misfit 2:



He doesn't realize it, but his best performance as an actor has been his posts on 2+2. Unfortunately he's not acting. Eats hot dogs without buns and sleeps on a cardboard bed in a stranger's garage.

Misfit 3:



http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=593



Just a glimpse into 1/4th of the mod brain that makes decisions in pog. Sporting Events is led by a guy that travels around the world, pog is led by a guy that pours cheap beer on his head.


The only real way to fix that subforum is to unmod all current mods and then ban all of the above posters plus a few others. Let the dust settle and then figure out how to proceed from there.

To be fair to the current mods, I think Crossnerd has been reinstated by The Moocher. I do not think it was a good idea.

That seems like a few steps too far, Hold'em.

Soah, as I understand you are some richelieuian figure in the mod forum calling the shots instead of Kruze and Gambit. How far off is that assessment? Only interested in figuring out how exactly the POG bureaucracy and lines of command currently work.

You are of course grossly mistaken when implying that people in general were disrespectful of VR in the thread. It's very cheap to build up the credibility of Crossnerd like that and makes you seem biased for me not to trust your judgment.

And of course the people have spoken and there are enough that MB needs to be toppled. If the feminists need to treat this as some American Supreme Court Justice nomination between a split president and congress then we might find some compromises. My personal picks are UnclyDynamite and Stuckinarutt. They seem fair and interested in making POG better.

I'm a poster in good standing afaik, and have been for years. For reference though, the mods who invited me back were TheMoocher, CPHoya, and Wellnamed. None of the current mods were moderators at that time.

I'm still unsure how my personal history or character relates to whether Miss Pog is sexist. Or how my personal history or character relates to people being banned for things said by themselves.

My first edict will be a ban of everyone who spells my name incorrectly.

But on a serious note: a good mod is not only fair, but also fairly perceived. I do not know if I'd be able to be fair to anyone, and I know these people would definitely not trust me.

Hold'em 07 raises a good point as well, which is that there is a large group of people in POG who will always side against Crossnerd no matter what, and they will try to bait her into going into one of her infamous downward spirals that results in a ban. He hasn't posted in the thread in question, and obviously hasn't even read it since he incorrectly surmised that KruZe has taken Crossnerd's side in that thread, yet he's in here to attack her for things which are entirely unrelated to the topic at hand.

That's essentially the same thing that happened in the other thread, except that the others at least could hide behind the plausible deniability of at least knowing what the topic of discussion was -- not that their posts actually addressed it too much.