I'm pooping right now.

HOL UP

So this dude tries to pull that game-down-the-street-from-the-kidde-game-down-the-street move, slanks away, then returns to the thread like nothing happened and goes right back to trying to talk down to people?

Example #4237 why this has little to nothing to do with partisanship, rather you people are just terrible posters and terrible in general. I mean, if you're finding out that you all line up on one partisan side, that sounds like an issue you need to work out yourselves.

Dr. Sebastian Zorka is running wild up in here.

Acute POGitis ITT

The forum's primary posting style suggests that everybody is completely tweaked out and/or in a manic phase.

Zorkman, how does the acha or whatever they are calling trumpcare make the world better for everyone?

Lol people think this is a politics thread. Lets debate the merits of healthcare reform somewhere else this thread is for zizak to own souls.

Just want to hear how making rich people richer and poors dead is a net benefit for everyone...

It's EZ math.

Let's say there's a 1000 rich peeps who are each X happy, and a million poor peeps who are Y unhappy because they got a life threatening medical thingee (that they need help paying for). That's the before.

The after is this: a 1000 rich people who are X+Z happy, Z being the marginal extra happiness rich peeps experience when getting still more richer... and the million poor people will have died off, removing the scourge of their Y unhappiness from the net joy to the world.

Simply put: Z > -1000Y (where Y>0, Z>0).

You forgot the rest of the poors and other non-rich who didn't die and are pissed at the rich.

You are correct. I am unwilling to grant that the conservatives want to make the world a better place for everyone. I might be willing to grant that they ostensibly want to make Americans better on average, but that is a very different thing. We already have the health care example ITT, but here's another one:

How does denying gay people access to the legal institution of marriage make them better off?

lol this dude literally voted for the "America First" candidate and is now butthurt when others note that he only gives a **** about (some) Americans

I can't discuss things--with you nor anyone else--neither here nor in a politics thread--unless and until you grant that I want a better world, starting with America first, and that my view is representative of the bulk of Trump's supporters in that regard [see edit notation].

You're asking the wrong hombre that last question. I agree with Trump (who, in turn, is probably not in step with most of the Republican party on this) when he said he is "fine with" it.

But let's not threadjack. This is the thread where we are waiting for you to make clear that your extreme political views won't color your modding decisions, and for you to convince us of that notwithstanding your actions (which do speak louder) to the contrary thus far.

Calm down.

It would probably be more fun for you if I were butthurt, but you don't get to make it so by saying so.

Clever lie embedded in a lie. Straight out of the party campaign press release guide book. (lie that is embedded: Trump doesn't care about some Americans; lie that is the main focus of the post: poster is butthurt)

Well, I will grant you I was butthurt about being misquoted, especially after having clarified it, but as a friend* recently told me about those two (master and monkey) "consider the source."

*another liberal poster on POG Politics who shall remain anonymous to spare him the ridicule of his fellow liberals, and no it wasn't eyebooger who is always a cool cat

What nonsense. You think you deserve a safe space free from any insinuation of ulterior motives just because you have ideas, and therefore they must be benevolent and good? And I have to agree as much without you even having to argue that your ideas are, in fact, benevolent and good before you would even speak? Hogwash. If you cannot argue that your proposal is for a better world, I don't have to grant it to you a priori.

What a ****ng snowflake

I think YOU want a better world. I get it that you don't want to meet me halfway on this.

What we should focus our discussions and disagreements on is the best policies to achieve what I think we both want.

This is about as cogent as anything else the Left has thrown back at the Right's solid arguments.

Because you haven't defined your your terms snowman, we don't know what you mean by Better World because nothing Trump is doing is leading in that direction.

Lol, the only "Argument" you've made is that we have to accept your premise before you'll share your arguments for it.

That is a valid opinion to conclude.

What isn't valid, and what paralyzes discussion of important issues, is when you don't even grant that he wants a better world to begin with.

Again, if nothing he does leads in that direction he doesn't support it does he?