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View Poll Results: Should 2+2 ban signatures?
No
35 19.55%
Yes, except 1-2 word poster's real name sigs.
27 15.08%
Yes, all sigs
98 54.75%
Bastard!
19 10.61%

04-26-2012 , 04:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
I'm curious; what are you basing this on? Because the subject of signatures has come up many, many times in ATF. Every time, the majority of posters express negative opinions of them. Now we have a poll, and the vast majority are against anything more than a real name sig, and a smaller majority are against even that much. So since all evidence thus far would seem to indicate that most people on 2+2 don't care for sigs, what makes you think it's a small minority?

But I agree that some people are getting waaaay to upset about this.
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Right, and you might notice that I'm not claiming a vast majority of posters are against signatures. However, you are claiming that a small minority of posters are against them, and I'm asking you what you are basing that on.


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Wait, what? So now you're claiming that only ~10% of people voting against avatars actually mean it? Seriously?? And you're basing this on...?
IMHO if asked most people would say they don't really care one way or another if sigs are baned forum wide.

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Um, go ahead. I don't see what your point is though; I've heard nothing about anyone ITT constantly PMing mods, and I've seen no reason to believe that people ITT complaining about sigs like yours aren't being completely sincere about their complaints, whereas you clearly aren't. And if you think a poll about avatars like WalterS's would have a result anything like this one, you're kidding yourself.
Lol i am not going to start a thread over his avatar i was using that analogy to describe how moaning about my 3 word 1 symbol 1 smiley is as ridiculous as me complaining about his avatar. And talking about avatars....My sig gets a 25 page thread from people who you agree are being way to serious about something so trivial yet this avatar is allowed!

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/members/114836/

Seriously people get over it.

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04-26-2012 , 05:09 AM
jfc Miss Tompakee quit being such an attention-whoring doofus
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04-26-2012 , 05:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
I'm curious; what are you basing this on? Because the subject of signatures has come up many, many times in ATF. Every time, the majority of posters express negative opinions of them. Now we have a poll, and the vast majority are against anything more than a real name sig, and a smaller majority are against even that much. So since all evidence thus far would seem to indicate that most people on 2+2 don't care for sigs, what makes you think it's a small minority?
But it's a self selecting sample, isn't it? The results are no more valid than the poll on the 'rigged' thread.

Anyone who does not care about sigs will ignore the thread.

So all you can say is that of those who noticed the poll and had any interest at all, some percentage is for/against. In other words, it's all but meaningless.

Personally, I find most sigs very slightly annoying but I wouldn't vote to have them banned because a civilised society does not go around banning every minority activity just because a few people don't like it. Only if a very significant majority of people found sigs more than trivially annoying should TPTB consider banning them - which seems to be the attitude adopted so far.

Just because a tiny minority of 2+2 posters repeatedly make a lot of fuss about something is not a good reason to pander to their wishes.

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But I agree that some people are getting waaaay to upset about this.
So true.
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04-26-2012 , 05:20 AM
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Originally Posted by tompakee
What's so confusing? The vast majority in this poll are against anything more than a real name sig; that can't necessarily be extrapolated to the vast majority of posters. Aren't we in agreement there? Or was this just your way of, once again, avoiding the question of what you're basing your claim that a small minority of posters are against them on?

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IMHO if asked most people would say they don't really care one way or another if sigs are baned forum wide.
And I notice here you completely skip over the question of what you're basing your ridiculous claim that only ~10% of people voting against avatars actually mean it on.

And again, given that all evidence thus far has been to the contrary, on what are you basing your belief that most people don't care?

I think you'd be better off just sticking with a "My signature isn't against the rules and really shouldn't bother you so bite me" argument rather than making baseless assumptions and pulling numbers out of your ass.
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04-26-2012 , 05:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Wiki
But it's a self selecting sample, isn't it? The results are no more valid than the poll on the 'rigged' thread.
Absolutely, but at least it's some kind of indicator. However, the only one making strong claims about what the majority of 2+2 posters wants is tompakee. Given that the only evidence we have, as incomplete as it may be, points to the opposite of what he claims, I don't think asking him what he bases these claims on is unreasonable.

Also, I think we'd find that a much larger share of posts and page views are represented in this thread than from a random sample of 113 members.
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04-26-2012 , 05:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
What's so confusing? The vast majority in this poll are against anything more than a real name sig; that can't necessarily be extrapolated to the vast majority of posters. Aren't we in agreement there? Or was this just your way of, once again, avoiding the question of what you're basing your claim that a small minority of posters are against them on?
I am basing it on the fact that the "vast majority" is actually a tiny % of people that actually care about sigs one way or another the same as only a tiny minority of people itt http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/55...atars-1115738/ chose to say trippy avatars should be banned. The majority didn't get their way in that thread (in before you say the percentages were too close to call on that one).


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And I notice here you completely skip over the question of what you're basing your ridiculous claim that only ~10% of people voting against avatars actually mean it on.
Ok i will concede that i made that number up but in my personal opinion i truly believe that most people don't really care about sigs and it's just a few butthurt people who (for no apparent reason other than it "tilts them") have chosen to go way overboard about this.

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And again, given that all evidence thus far has been to the contrary, on what are you basing your belief that most people don't care?

I think you'd be better off just sticking with a "My signature isn't against the rules and really shouldn't bother you so bite me" argument rather than making baseless assumptions and pulling numbers out of your ass.

Yeah ok .....i will take the stance that others have taken itt http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/55...91/index6.html that just because you don't like something does not mean it should be banned.

Edit: i find kevmodes argument about wafflehouses avatar as laughable and silly as the people crying itt about my sig.

Is misé Tompakee™
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04-26-2012 , 06:06 AM
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I am basing it on the fact that the "vast majority" is actually a tiny % of people that actually care about sigs one way or another the same as only a tiny minority of people itt http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/55...atars-1115738/ chose to say trippy avatars should be banned. The majority didn't get their way in that thread (in before you say the percentages were too close to call on that one).
The results of this poll or any other poll won't decide what rules are implemented on this site. In this case the poll merely proves that you're a weasel
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04-26-2012 , 06:09 AM
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The results of this poll or any other poll won't decide what rules are implemented on this site. In this case the poll merely proves that you're a weasel

cool...resorting to name calling....way more mature than me.....wanna date?

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04-26-2012 , 06:13 AM
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The results of this poll or any other poll won't decide what rules are implemented on this site. In this case the poll merely proves that you're a weasel
I think it rather more proves that he's a very effective wind-up merchant.
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04-26-2012 , 06:27 AM
The difference between your signature and my avatar as Bobo pointed out is that if you started a poll on my avatar the results would be vastly different. It's from the movie The Big Lebowski btw.

The reason this thread is mainly about you is that most people have the common courtesy not to do something that annoys a lot of other people. On the internet we have a term for those that don't have that courtesy: trolls.

And if anyone is getting way too upset in this thread, it's you, bro.

edit: You're right that just because somebody doesn't like something it shouldn't be banned. But when a majority of people don't like something, it should probably be banned.
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04-26-2012 , 06:35 AM
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cool...resorting to name calling....way more mature than me.....wanna date?

Is misé Tompakee™
Well, seeing as you've been weaseling out of what you said you'd do earlier in the thread, I don't know that it's all that inaccurate.
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04-26-2012 , 06:39 AM
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And if anyone is getting way too upset in this thread, it's you, bro.
Oh, the irony.

Oh, the self delusion!
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04-26-2012 , 06:41 AM
Yeah, gotta go with Wiki on this one. If I had to use only one word for each of tompakee and WalterS ITT, it would be trolling and mad, in that order.
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04-26-2012 , 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Professionalpoker
Been tossing this around in the mod forum. Expect some action within a day.

So what has been decided ?
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04-26-2012 , 06:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
Yeah, gotta go with Wiki on this one. If I had to use only one word for each of tompakee and WalterS ITT, it would be trolling and mad, in that order.
Eh, whatever. I like arguing. Especially when I feel I'm definitely right and that it could possibly make a difference(not often). I don't get steamed at all IRL even if I use strong language on the internets.
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04-26-2012 , 07:02 AM
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So what has been decided ?
That 10 hours is less than a day.

But I wouldn't be surprised if it takes a few days for something to happen, if anything does.
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04-26-2012 , 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
Absolutely, but at least it's some kind of indicator. However, the only one making strong claims about what the majority of 2+2 posters wants is tompakee. Given that the only evidence we have, as incomplete as it may be, points to the opposite of what he claims, I don't think asking him what he bases these claims on is unreasonable.

Also, I think we'd find that a much larger share of posts and page views are represented in this thread than from a random sample of 113 members.

Skip back through the thread and you will see that the ONLY person who is adamantly against signatures is WalterS. He is the only one getting angry over this and regardless of the voting the majority of POSTS seem to have a MEH. i couldn't care less attitude.


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The difference between your signature and my avatar as Bobo pointed out is that if you started a poll on my avatar the results would be vastly different. It's from the movie The Big Lebowski btw.

The reason this thread is mainly about you is that most people have the common courtesy not to do something that annoys a lot of other people. On the internet we have a term for those that don't have that courtesy: trolls.

And if anyone is getting way too upset in this thread, it's you, bro.

edit: You're right that just because somebody doesn't like something it shouldn't be banned. But when a majority of people don't like something, it should probably be banned.
And again i state that YOU sir are the only one that is getting annoyed!

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Eh, whatever. I like arguing. Especially when I feel I'm definitely right and that it could possibly make a difference(not often). I don't get steamed at all IRL even if I use strong language on the internets.
Lol so your'e right and everyone else is wrong/ Seriously what "difference" could it make. You want to save the masses of people from having to read my 3 word 1 symbol 1 smiley posts? You sir are a true ****ing HERO. Give the man his medal and lets all move on.

Is misé Tompakee™
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04-26-2012 , 07:51 AM
The poll shows I am right. The difference it could make is 2+2 changing their rules.

You seem to have trouble using logic to grasp simple arguments.

I understand that you don't find your avatar annoying. Isn't it abundantly clear that many others do at this point? Can you at least acknowledge that?

I have seen numerous complaints here, in nvg, and in OOT about your signature. It's not just me. I'm just the one that has nothing better to do at the moment than start an ATF thread about it and try to make some change happen.

Can you answer why you have kept using it when many find it annoying? Can you also answer why you threw out the 66% number and then didn't stick by it?
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04-26-2012 , 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by WalterS
The poll shows I am right. The difference it could make is 2+2 changing their rules.

You seem to have trouble using logic to grasp simple arguments.

I understand that you don't find your avatar annoying. Isn't it abundantly clear that many others do at this point? Can you at least acknowledge that?

I have seen numerous complaints here, in nvg, and in OOT about your signature. It's not just me. I'm just the one that has nothing better to do at the moment than start an ATF thread about it and try to make some change happen.

Can you answer why you have kept using it when many find it annoying? Can you also answer why you threw out the 66% number and then didn't stick by it?
Lets get to the root of the problem. You have stated itt and in a private message to me that "you do not mind my signature but the smiley really tilts you" What is it about Does it piss you off that someone can wake up and feel like Does it bring back some suppressed memories when you see Are you a kinda guy? and again i stress that YOU seem to be the one that finds annoying. Are you saying that EVERYONE should be banned from using sigs? Would this sig make a diff TOMPAKEE Or would you have a problem with that one too?


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04-26-2012 , 08:49 AM
Guess you can't answer my questions.

To answer your questions: reasonable use of smileys in posts doesn't bother me at all (or anyone). Overuse of smileys or smileys in signatures bother me (and a lot of people). Using it at the end of every post really isn't that different from the ridiculous picture signatures others started using in this thread.

Does that make sense at all? Can you try to answer my questions now?
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04-26-2012 , 08:57 AM
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Guess you can't answer my questions.

To answer your questions: reasonable use of smileys in posts doesn't bother me at all (or anyone). Overuse of smileys or smileys in signatures bother me (and a lot of people). Using it at the end of every post really isn't that different from the ridiculous picture signatures others started using in this thread.

Does that make sense at all? Can you try to answer my questions now?
But i don't overuse it...Or do you consider one smiley to be overused. Why would you claim itt and in a PM you sent me that it's the smiley that tilts the hell out of you not the signature? Seriously dude when you stated in your other post that you have "nothing better to do " you really meant it!!!


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04-26-2012 , 08:59 AM
You seem to have skimmed over the "or smileys in signatures" part and still seem to be having trouble grasping logic. Like I said, it really isn't that different from the ridiculous pictures signatures others used in this thread.

And yeah, life has been depressingly slow since black Friday. I am heading to Mexico on Friday of next week for SCOOP on Stars though and then I'll be at the WSOP!

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04-26-2012 , 09:02 AM
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You seem to have skimmed over the "or smileys in signatures" part. Like I said, it really isn't that different from the ridiculous pictures signatures others used in this thread.

And yeah, life has been depressingly slow since black Friday. I am heading to Mexico on Friday of next week for SCOOP on Stars though and then I'll be at the WSOP!
Skimmed over it??? i ****in highlighted it dumbass!!!! Oh and of course you are...I am really a super hot super rich 19 year old super model who is closely related to god

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04-26-2012 , 09:09 AM
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Skimmed over it??? i ****in highlighted it dumbass!!!! Oh and of course you are...I am really a super hot super rich 19 year old super model who is closely related to god
Ya guys, I'm the mad one, lol. I'm not the kinda guy to lie about my life.

Edit to respond to below: I read your post and understood it. You read mine but apparently don't understand what "or" is. One of us is definitely having trouble reading and understanding posts, that's for sure. I'd be happy to have an IQ test prop bet with you for whatever amount you want. That's about enough feeding the troll for now though.

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04-26-2012 , 09:12 AM
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Ya guys, I'm the mad one, lol.
Lol i'm not mad i'm just pointing out your stupidity when you can't even read a post properly!

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