i expected there to be a lot more tits and ass in this thread

Not sure if serious, but when I clicked this I expected to be reading about the numerous avatars on the site that are NSFW.

I came here expecting to see some inappropriate avatars and

This is the most inappropriate avatar I've seen:


The part with Chris Hansen talking about DP'ing a 14 yo with the rageface is disturbing, other than that cool gif.

Just in case you ever consider an avatar.

Hammer and Sickle not a symbol of persecution - not designed to intimidate??


Lets conveniently forget the broad swathe of kulak's forcibly removed from their lands, often involving deportation, subject to arbitrary justice and transformed into enemies within?

Lets forget the dismantling of the large swathe's of the Russian orthodox church.....

Lets forget - Russification of the Baltic state and the forced colonisation in language, political power and land.

I do not believe banning it is the best option, but to say that it is just a symbol of a politico-economic system is simply wrong. Symbols are in the eyes of the beholder - disempowering victims of Bolshevik oppression by denying the impact of powerful symbols like that of the Soviet flag is to add insult to injury.

But you're missing the broader issue here:

Yea, but Harrison Ford hasn't made a movie about the Kulak's so hammer and sickle are still good.

Digger, way to miss my point. People who display the hammer and sickle aren't usually doing it to symbolize persecution or oppression. A look at the places and organizations that still employ the symbol will show you that — it's clearly usually about history, or furthering of a marxist agenda, and that agenda is not inherently discriminatory.

Yeah, and if you go to Stormfront, they'll tell you they fly a Swastika not as a symbol of genocide, but as a symbol of national socialist ideals and 'racial' pride. There are always excuses. But a Ukranian with relatives who died in the Holodomor might not buy them, any more than a Polish Jew with relatives who died in the Holocaust would buy any.

But in the end, Hitler and Stalin were peas in a pod right up until they wanted each other's land.

Now, I'm not necessarily saying that 2p2 should ban the avatar. I would merely suggest that if you're going to ban the symbols of dictatorships that killed millions, you probably shouldn't be choosy.

AD:

So only the intent of the displayer of a symbol is important as to whether or not it should be banned?

Are there any other considerations?

Or are you merely trying to argue that there is no moral equivalence between Nazi symbology and Soviet symbology?

What type of emotional response is sought by the author/s of this poster?

I like them. You're not going to win this argument, but please keep posting the propaganda posters.

Soviet Collectivization Village Propaganda(1929): The Poster Reads "On our collective there is no room for priests or kulaks"

Not inherently disciminatory..........it is structurally discriminatory.

Watch or read up about:

Eisenstein's Old and New (1929)

The polemic against class division within Ukrainian farming system - and tell me that is not discriminatory......the use of soviet symbology arm and arm with centuries old anti-semitic symbology of Czarist/Russian imperial exceptionalism.

Pretty much yes. Intent to upset people is trolling, which I think is properly disallowed. Nothing else should matter.


Not at all, and I'm taking issue with you even saying it's relevant. I don't think they are equivalent, but that's an argument that I don't think belongs in this thread.

Peaceful non threatening symbology......methinks?

Well - I think philosophically it is clear that the ontology of Marxist political thought is discriminatory.

Whatevs, their graphics are powerful!

The thing is digger that by definition, any film maker is discriminatory. It will ultimately have a point of view that will not be "fair" to all. It is only a matter of degree.

Admittedly, showing sympathy towards such repugnant manifestations of political theologies such as German Nazism and Russian Communism deserves comdemnation. However, the solution is not to hide them. That is just an admission that they are to be feared. Rather, it is to take the Mel Brooks approach. Brooks once said that one of his major goals in film making was to make Nazism so ridiculous and pathetic that almost nobody could take it seriously again. Even in Blazing Saddles, the villains' scene has Nazi soldiers looking ridiculous doing a Hitler salute while sitting in a wagon.

Therefore, don't sensor. Mock. That said, free speech doesn't apply to this website. The owner can and has taken down symbols he objects to. That is his right.

Relax OP you are free from the communist grip. Free enough to come to my country, take my job, destroy the house you rent from me and drink drive with no insurance, enjoy my eastern european friends you are one of us now.

2 hollywood heavyweights cant be wrong