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Originally Posted by Turb0Licious
So DN got temped for posting a Vblog in the *** Official Daniel Negreanu video blog thread - post new videos here *** thread.
Meh, pretty standard from 2+2
Gah, this thread is really starting to confound me. Even posters who usually tend to be on top of things are refusing to take a minute to read and think things through.
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Originally Posted by SantaCruz
I've taken in entirely what you have said and I understand what you are saying but I have a completely different take on events.
That's great to hear, but it sure doesn't sound like it when you repeat the same mistake everyone else is with statements like "banned for posting a link in a thread that was dedicated to posting his links". No, he wasn't, and if you have a different take, you're just plain wrong. But hopefully that's not what your different take is about.
It just aggravates me to no end when people keep repeating this inaccurate and oversimplified summary of what happened. Posters aren't generally allowed to link to their own sites and videos, they certainly aren't allowed to when the first 6+ minutes of the video are an advertisement, and he didn't just post it in that thread anyway.
So just to summarize, for hopefully the last time, he was given a one day ban because:
He started a thread about a business that he is believed to have a financial interest in, and was given a warning. Subsequently, he posted a link to a video from his site in two different threads; the video starts with a 6+ minute promotion of the same site.
Many posters think a one day ban was much too harsh. I get that. But seriously, please stop claiming that he was simply "banned for posting a link in a thread that was dedicated to posting his links".
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Originally Posted by SantaCruz
I just finished reading DN's explanation and it jives entirely with my take. You folks are giving him some insidious motivations behind his postings when what he felt he was doing was nothing out of the ordinary. That's exactly how I saw what he did before I even read his latest post.
Fine, that's perfectly reasonable. Like I said before, people will have a variety of opinions on his intent. He broke the rules, but you feel it was unintentional.
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Originally Posted by SantaCruz
I'm simply saying that the banning was petty, an over reaction, and damaging to this site.
You're certainly entitled to your opinion on that. I'm not 100% sure because I wasn't involved at the time it happened, but there's a good chance I would have infracted him rather than temp-banning. That said, I don't think a one day ban was that draconian, especially given he had been warned for something similar two days previous. I notice he didn't mention this in his FCP post. Perhaps he missed it, but that seems odd seeing as he knew the thread was deleted. If he knew about the infraction, how does he think that video link is going to be OK?
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Originally Posted by SantaCruz
And to call it a temp ban is ignoring the fact that he might not want to return.
Wait, what? So should I call it a permanent ban because he may not choose to come back?
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Originally Posted by SantaCruz
DN isn't just another poster. He has first hand knowledge of pretty much everything that is poker. He acts very much like a correspondant and he is a pro at explaining what he knows. He has dedicated much of his time to explaining what is going on to the rank and file poker players for years. And he is always willing to speak directly to folks like us. Someone like that is a huge asset to this site. In his Vlog he was simply doing what he always does. If 2+2 doesn't want him that's fine. I'm just saying that's an unwise decision.
In the past he has openly promoted this site. I think that you can pretty much kiss that good-bye. It seems that if PokerStars advertises heavily on this site banning one of their most prominent PR people so capriciously wasn't very well thought out.
And does he derive no benefit from 2+2? No question it's better to have him here than not, if he's following the rules. I hope he comes back. But it's not like there is no benefit to him either.
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Originally Posted by SantaCruz
This seems always the case at 2+2. Mods almost always back up the other mods and administrators so I don't think that there is anything in the world a poster can say to change a mod's mind. The mods are going to tow the company line regardless of what reasoning is put before them.
I won't speak for other mods, but I've reversed or reduced infractions or bans before when someone has reasoned with me, and I know other mods have as well. It almost never happens from a thread, though, for a couple of reasons. First of all, and this isn't the case every time, but the more reasonable posters are usually the ones who send the PMs. Most of the people who instantly take the "OMG MODS ARE NAZIS" stance are the ones who will start a thread. The second reason, and this one perhaps doesn't reflect as well on mods, is because I think a thread sometimes puts mod(s) in a position where they become reluctant to back down. This could be for a number of reasons - they don't want posters to think they can just whine to have any infraction or ban reversed, or sometimes pride might come into it, because mods are human too.
This is all a bit of a digression from the topic at hand, but I see this kind of thing posted sometimes in ATF, so I wanted to address it. And I understand completely where this idea comes from, that mods never change their minds, because we don't see it that often in threads.
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Originally Posted by Polar Beard
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LOL. Unless I've misunderstood some of the posts, you've included two posts that were making fun of all the DN supporters as well as one from someone who hadn't bothered reading the whole thread. But thanks for your contribution.
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Originally Posted by apefish
I don't think defending it as the standard line 2+2 would take with any other poster makes it in any way the optimal line to have chosen.
Sure. I can't say for certain that it wasn't optimal, but it's certainly a possibilty.