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12-06-2021 , 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by candybar
I mean the crowd that's complaining about Cuepee's political rants was perfectly fine with posts like this (not quoting because it's vile):

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...ostcount=13296

Which references:

https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/iq-bell-curve-midwit (warning: racial slurs)

Allowing Tooth to post like for years effectively created this weird right-wing populist community in BFI that now feels empowered to censor opposing political viewpoints.
You are seriously reaching with this one.
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12-07-2021 , 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by case3
The entire thread was the absolute best source of covid information anywhere. TS killed the analysis by modelling and calling:

> Initial spread rate
> Case fatality rate
> Monetary response and its non-effect
> Fiscal response
> Government response
> MRNA and different vaccine timetables
> Variants and how they would emerge
> etc



Kingspew melts down when someone does not share his political beliefs, purely incapable of looking at analysis outside the warm assurance that the person has all the 'right' beliefs
In the real world. This is how effective TS was at "modelling itt"



The statements about flat graphs are on OCT 10th, the date outlined in the graph.

How flat does the graph look to you?

Only the most absurd sycophant or probably alt would make the literally insane claims you are making.
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12-07-2021 , 06:30 PM
The problem is that leftists don't know how to restrain their propaganda. They have to continually spread it everywhere, completely disregarding forum rules and basic standards of human interaction.
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12-07-2021 , 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerPlayingGamble
The problem is that leftists don't know how to restrain their propaganda. They have to continually spread it everywhere, completely disregarding forum rules and basic standards of human interaction.
Yea silly leftists, on a completely open forum of debate, they should leave rightists to just give their opinion without offering counter opinion or differing view points.

Give rightists their circle jerk safe space NOW!
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12-07-2021 , 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerPlayingGamble
The problem is that leftists don't know how to restrain their propaganda. They have to continually spread it everywhere, completely disregarding forum rules and basic standards of human interaction.
Heh, dude, did you not read that thread? It was literally a test case of passive alt right derps absorbing and repeating messaging they have been told. That Kraken lawyer raised 14 millsky for herself by exploiting derps like this. I do not fault her in the least as it was easy money to grab if you had the right messaging and pedigree , so get it while you can.

No doubt some people on the far left are similarly susceptible in that regard, but Trump and friends built entire industries on milking their derps, so it is actually disrespectful to them to imply that others have done that job as well as they did. They could teach a masterclass on milking derps. Think about that as you try to get people to pay you to teach them micro stakes poker.

All the best.
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12-07-2021 , 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by DonkJr
You are seriously reaching with this one.
Not at all. If you use reverse image search Tooth's meme picture you will see that this image with this exact text doesn't exist anywhere - it's his own creation. Which is also confirmed by the caption for the most part - that's Tooth's style and references "multifactorial analysis" which is how he describes his own analysis in multiple posts in the thread.

Now, look carefully at each of the captions - each one partially overlaps a grey box but the text clearly doesn't fit inside the box. What could that possibly be? It's obviously the result of Tooth editing out the original caption from the source image. Now, look at the offending image with the racial slur and focus on the captions. Those captions line up exactly inside those grey boxes. This of course isn't the case for any of the other images found using the reverse image search. What does that mean? Tooth's source image quite clearly is the one with the racial slur.
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12-07-2021 , 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by case3
The entire thread was the absolute best source of covid information anywhere.
Do you actually believe this, that that thread was a better source of covid information than a medical journal or virologist conference?
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12-07-2021 , 08:28 PM
If it makes you guys feel better, tooth is pretty clearly still posting in BFI under yet another sock account.
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12-07-2021 , 09:02 PM
The riggie thread had tons of banned riggies come back with "new" accounts. I always found it amusing that they thought they were fooling anyone, as they were essentially the same as a newbie poster asking for advice on a rando room nobody ever heard of and suddenly another newbie poster replies with all sorts of helpful details. Still, having read some of the levels of posts in that thread - odds are some people never clued in to the gimmick accounts that are clearly being used. The new owners certainly do not care in the slightest about any of this, and why should they, but we can all read about how they are updating how this outdated forum looks on phones!
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12-08-2021 , 02:00 AM
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Originally Posted by candybar
Not at all. If you use reverse image search Tooth's meme picture you will see that this image with this exact text doesn't exist anywhere - it's his own creation. Which is also confirmed by the caption for the most part - that's Tooth's style and references "multifactorial analysis" which is how he describes his own analysis in multiple posts in the thread.

Now, look carefully at each of the captions - each one partially overlaps a grey box but the text clearly doesn't fit inside the box. What could that possibly be? It's obviously the result of Tooth editing out the original caption from the source image. Now, look at the offending image with the racial slur and focus on the captions. Those captions line up exactly inside those grey boxes. This of course isn't the case for any of the other images found using the reverse image search. What does that mean? Tooth's source image quite clearly is the one with the racial slur.
I got your point when you first posted prior uses for the meme. You are still seriously reaching.
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12-08-2021 , 04:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
If it makes you guys feel better, tooth is pretty clearly still posting in BFI under yet another sock account.
What account?
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12-08-2021 , 10:38 AM
Well is there a better Covid thread on 2p2? Would be happy to take it there but I don't know of one.
The ones in politics (a forum I try to stay out of in general) seem clearly suckier.

Can we just reopen it, let it mostly function on it's own, and reserve the moding to one click ban/deletes for new posters that come in and wish death on people?
(Only happened a couple times with one serial lunatic)
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12-08-2021 , 10:49 AM
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/3...unted-1763624/

May not have as much alt-right Twitter feed posts as some would like, but perhaps this will do. One poster named Truth talked about his panic Omicron shopping in preparations for more lockdowns, so it does have the required end of world poster that some find entertaining. Give the thread a try and see if you like it.
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12-08-2021 , 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by DonkJr
I got your point when you first posted prior uses for the meme. You are still seriously reaching.
I think you're trying to say you're personally okay with things like this, but I'm not and decent normal people should not be. The fact that those that are complaining about Monteroy and Cuepee (I think those are the two posters that are drawing most of the complaints) thought the thread was amazing and one of the best on the internet or whatever when Tooth was casually calling black people low-IQ (and more) while posting racist memes for lulz says a lot about what it is that they actually enjoyed about Tooth's posting.
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12-08-2021 , 11:54 AM
Also, thinking that Tooth is good at any kind of analysis is frankly embarrassing and I don't think very many reasonably well-educated people believe that. The idea that Tooth is good at these kinds of things is mostly something people believe because it feeds into the right-wing populist notion that experts and bureaucrats don't have any idea what they are doing. So what people are buying isn't his analysis - it's his confident regurgitations of the popular right-wing talking points of the day, only delivered with more gusto and racism, combined with his narcissistic attempts to elevate his own standing by attacking (presumed-to-be-liberal) authority figures.

This whole, omg, Tooth figured out that COVID was much worse than before the market experts did thing is way overplayed too. All the internet weirdos knew that, you just had to go to r/coronavirus - and it has nothing whatsoever to do with his analysis. It was very obvious once you were aware of all the facts that things were extremely bad. One of the real reasons why the market missed this so badly is that typically the market looks to government responses in situations like to see how severe something is and the US government more or less acted as though this wasn't a big deal. It seems so long ago but Trump spent the first few critical weeks downplaying the risk of COVID, trying to stop his own bureaucrats from warning the US public and acting like it's no worse than the flu.

Of course Tooth went nuts when this was pointed out and spent months in the thread trying to blame everyone else but Trump for the utter incompetence of his administration. Yeah some great analysis indeed.
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12-08-2021 , 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by TooCuriousso1
Well is there a better Covid thread on 2p2? Would be happy to take it there but I don't know of one.
The ones in politics (a forum I try to stay out of in general) seem clearly suckier.

Can we just reopen it, let it mostly function on it's own, and reserve the moding to one click ban/deletes for new posters that come in and wish death on people?
(Only happened a couple times with one serial lunatic)
Seconded. That works for me!
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12-08-2021 , 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by candybar
I think you're trying to say you're personally okay with things like this, but I'm not and decent normal people should not be. The fact that those that are complaining about Monteroy and Cuepee (I think those are the two posters that are drawing most of the complaints) thought the thread was amazing and one of the best on the internet or whatever when Tooth was casually calling black people low-IQ (and more) while posting racist memes for lulz says a lot about what it is that they actually enjoyed about Tooth's posting.
Let's take the worst case scenario and assume Tooth looked up "midwit", grabbed the picture that had the N word in it, erased everything that the original picture had except for the actual photos, and wrote what he wanted under the photos. How is that proof that Tooth is racist? How is posting an image macro with no mention of race whatsoever, implied or otherwise, racist? Is it because he deleted the racist reference in the original?

There is plenty about Tooth that you can legitimately gripe about, so I don't know why you have spent three or four posts on this point already.
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12-08-2021 , 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by DonkJr
Let's take the worst case scenario and assume Tooth looked up "midwit", grabbed the picture that had the N word in it, erased everything that the original picture had except for the actual photos, and wrote what he wanted under the photos. How is that proof that Tooth is racist? How is posting an image macro with no mention of race whatsoever, implied or otherwise, racist? Is it because he deleted the racist reference in the original?

There is plenty about Tooth that you can legitimately gripe about, so I don't know why you have spent three or four posts on this point already.
Tooth has been banned and exiled multiple time by multiple mods for his trolling and racist schenannigans. I’m sure the mods could summarize the mod notes for his various accounts if you asked them nicely. He posts in BFI because that seems to be the place where people go when they’ve been ejected from politics or OOT.

Last edited by Trolly McTrollson; 12-08-2021 at 02:18 PM.
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12-08-2021 , 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by DonkJr
Let's take the worst case scenario and assume Tooth looked up "midwit", grabbed the picture that had the N word in it, erased everything that the original picture had except for the actual photos, and wrote what he wanted under the photos.
How is this the worst case? Didn't he say this is "a classic midwit situation" - which implies that he's in general agreement with the predominant way the meme/term is used? The most likely scenario is that he frequents white-supremacist sites, learned of this meme and how white supremacists use the term "midwit" to refer to normal non-racist people, while proudly espousing racial ideology as though it's a sign of high intelligence and thought this was so clever that this was an appropriate analogy for his views on the origin of COVID.

And apparently all the right-leaning posters who must have been aware of how the term is used (or googled it and must have found how it's used by white supremacists) thought, this is one of the best threads on COVID on the internet. And started complaining when Tooth started to be challenged by a couple of left-leaning posters. Why?

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How is that proof that Tooth is racist?
Tooth's racism is obvious. Did you miss Tooth using the phrase "low-IQ" to describe the black population? I believe his previous accounts were also banned for racism.

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How is posting an image macro with no mention of race whatsoever, implied or otherwise, racist? Is it because he deleted the racist reference in the original?
Anyone who isn't trying to signal to the white supremacists that they are one of them would either avoid using such a source image or at least wouldn't use it in a way that presents their own views to be analogous to white supremacist views.
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12-08-2021 , 02:16 PM
Always knew people in finance are wackos.
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12-08-2021 , 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Morphismus
Always knew people in finance are wackos.
Tooth isn't in finance though. Mostly as a function of working professionally in NYC, I've known a lot of people over the years in finance - they are not like this, though I've met prop traders (not wall street prop desks, but those who put up their own capital and thus there's no barrier of entry) that are similarly wacky. I've engaged Tooth in more technical discussions and Tooth is pretty far out of depth - he doesn't have that solid background understanding of how things fit together (both in terms of basic economics/finance and an operational understanding of how the industry works in practice) that allows him to interpret his information sources (mainly mainstream/right-wing media and random internet articles of dubious quality) in proper context . It's also not hard to spot people who have legitimate relevant finance experience in BFI - all of them post less now in part because Tooth goes out of his way to aggressively and condescendingly talk down to them.
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12-08-2021 , 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerPlayingGamble
The problem is that leftists don't know how to restrain their propaganda. They have to continually spread it everywhere, completely disregarding forum rules and basic standards of human interaction.
This pretty much nails it. They over politicize everything and spread it everywhere. We are talking about people posting in BFI for the 1st time ever spamming political takes in a covid thread (which exists in the politics etc sections). Even in this thread we have politics wackos completely detached from the situation filing in to this thread to do what they do.

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Originally Posted by O.A.F.K.1.1
Yea silly leftists, on a completely open forum of debate, they should leave rightists to just give their opinion without offering counter opinion or differing view points.

Give rightists their circle jerk safe space NOW!
You're a politics poster and your inability to comprehend basic things or follow a basic plot has lead to dumb exchanges repeatedly in the covid thread. You've never contributed to BFI. Your post here illustrates why people find the politics posters so annoying. You just simply can't tolerate anyone daring to utter a right wing perspective unopposed. It's your duty sent down from lord AOC or whoever to fight back. Or you could just like post in another covid thread, be less political, or practice basic reading comprehension

Nobody is or was campaigning for you to be moderated or banned. Just two exceptional posters. One was a complete mental case spamming walls of text multiple times per day for months. You deleted a post defending them and saying other sections of the forum don't have a problem with them. A mod just showed up to this thread who made a point to enter this loons rantings in to a word counter to summarize the crazed rantings in a moderation discussion thread. The second of 2 posters that people have asked for moderation is a career troll with an insane track record of trolling people in a poker is rigged thread thousands of times. Think about what a mental case you would have to be to spend thousands of posts arguing with or trolling riggies. People such as yourself were tolerated just fine.

"Give rightists their circle jerk safe space NOW!" and calling it a bunch of antivaxxers (who are basically all vaccinated) is just more fantasy narrative generation that has earned politics posters so much admiration here in BFI

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Originally Posted by candybar
I think you're trying to say you're personally okay with things like this, but I'm not and decent normal people should not be. The fact that those that are complaining about Monteroy and Cuepee (I think those are the two posters that are drawing most of the complaints) thought the thread was amazing and one of the best on the internet or whatever when Tooth was casually calling black people low-IQ (and more) while posting racist memes for lulz says a lot about what it is that they actually enjoyed about Tooth's posting.
By your own description this isn't what happened. You needed to go down some rabbit hole to find the source of the meme and then understand that while tooth edited out the racist parts he's still being racist. Next you connect these dots to people enjoy tooths racist meme posts.... because yeah that's what people saw. You continually filter everything through a political lens and reach really hard to fabricate a narrative. If you were able to get some fresh air maybe you could begin to understand just how bonkers this little fantasy you created is.

So weird that people posting in BFI keep saying politics posters are mental. These are just such sober, insightful, and non toxic takes

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Originally Posted by candybar
How is this the worst case? Didn't he say this is "a classic midwit situation" - which implies that he's in general agreement with the predominant way the meme/term is used? The most likely scenario is that he frequents white-supremacist sites, learned of this meme and how white supremacists use the term "midwit" to refer to normal non-racist people, while proudly espousing racial ideology as though it's a sign of high intelligence and thought this was so clever that this was an appropriate analogy for his views on the origin of COVID.

And apparently all the right-leaning posters who must have been aware of how the term is used (or googled it and must have found how it's used by white supremacists) thought, this is one of the best threads on COVID on the internet. And started complaining when Tooth started to be challenged by a couple of left-leaning posters. Why?



Tooth's racism is obvious. Did you miss Tooth using the phrase "low-IQ" to describe the black population? I believe his previous accounts were also banned for racism.



Anyone who isn't trying to signal to the white supremacists that they are one of them would either avoid using such a source image or at least wouldn't use it in a way that presents their own views to be analogous to white supremacist views.
You are a great example of why politics posters create extreme toxicity everywhere they go. The projection here is just amazing. Do you really think people research the origin of every meme and forensically try to dissect super secret context from it? Are you aware the same meme has been used a million times over for a million topics? Most notably bitcoin? The bell curve with moron, midwit, and genius with the midwits being "no-coiners", fud, bears, etc? The level or reaching and then projecting it on to other posters that wanted 2 blatant disasters moderated is just mental narrative generation.

Tooth argued, curated research, articles, data, etc. His opinions were his own and he represented himself. People argued with him a lot. Only 2 complete train wreck posters were asked to be moderated. Pull yourself together. You seem completely gripped by politics seeing everything through its lens in a tribal manner. This little tale running through your head is bonkers

BFI has BFI posters. They post in BFI threads. Something like covid does get political. That doesn't mean people are happy about posters who never posted in BFI coming in from the politcs section to spam endless nonsense. BFI posters have asked for 2 of the worst offenders to be moderated but instead they decided to nuke the thread. Most recently someone front running the omnicron news could have made a juicy return on both the news and reversal. Similar to what many did on the initial outbreak. Allowing politics loons to dominate and get threads locked in BFI is a silly way of running things
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12-08-2021 , 03:51 PM
Juan is like Exhibit A of aggressively terrible posters getting kicked out of the politics tab and taking up residence in BFI.
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12-08-2021 , 04:00 PM
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By your own description this isn't what happened. You needed to go down some rabbit hole to find the source of the meme and then understand that while tooth edited out the racist parts he's still being racist.
What on earth are you babbling about? Either googling "midwit" or google image search leads you right to the source. Also, are you just ignoring this because you find it inconvenient?

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Originally Posted by ToothSayer
Unfortunately I fear that US demographics make that almost impossible (populations of low IQ, low social responsibility, impulsive/poor rule following individuals clustered together), so I don't know what to do about that. But lockdown for months is impossible, especially since places like Chicago or Georgia simply aren't going to get R0 low enough even under lockdown due the IQ and promiscuity of their populations.
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Originally Posted by ToothSayer
It's played out exactly like expected - the lower IQ and social responsibility demographics are massively over-represented in both infected and deaths. In some areas they're 75% of infections despite being 20-30% of the population.

It makes the job a lot harder but I outlined how it's achievable even without shutting everything down (but possibly not in the low iq/social responsibility populations). Once the US showed it was willing to do and maintain harsh lockdowns, eradication became easy.
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Originally Posted by ToothSayer
This "low iq" population you see ignoring the rules are 87% Democrat voters who hate Trump. The demographic impact of the virus is quite clear, the NYT has written about it extensively as some kind of mystery (it's not; rule following ability and rapid behavioral change ability is correlated with IQ). The Trump supporters in red states just aren't seeing big problems or deaths. It's nearly all the blue states, who hate Trump and would ignore him anyway or do their own thing.
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Originally Posted by juan valdez
Are you aware the same meme has been used a million times over for a million topics? Most notably bitcoin?
Don't think so - I've only found a handful of uses for that particular image combination.

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So weird that people posting in BFI keep saying politics posters are mental. These are just such sober, insightful, and non toxic takes
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You are a great example of why politics posters create extreme toxicity everywhere they go.
I'm not a politics poster though - I don't post in politics and I've never posted anything in BFI that had to do with any kind of political advocacy. There's zero doubt that you look at both our posting history, you're certainly the one that's far more prone to political rants of the partisan variety.

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Allowing politics loons to dominate and get threads locked in BFI is a silly way of running things
Exactly why we should not have allowed Tooth to go on political rants every thread.

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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Juan is like Exhibit A of aggressively terrible posters getting kicked out of the politics tab and taking up residence in BFI.
I know right?
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12-08-2021 , 04:01 PM
It took a politics poster less than 10 minutes to show up and respond to the topic of BFI coronavirus discussion which has nothing to do with them. On top of that we have the wonderful, insightful, and and accurate content of their post.

This pretty much summarizes why politics posters are so unwelcome in other parts of the forum. A community of weirdos patrolling the forum in real time each accumulating tens of thousands of occurrences of idiotic nonsense
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