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01-12-2010 , 12:23 AM

#176

ZDAR

veteran

Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 2,729

90-tabling 14 hrs/day everyday. unbelievable.

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01-12-2010 , 12:31 AM

#177

blackchilli

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 5,027

Germans are the new asians.

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01-12-2010 , 12:43 AM

#178

trojanmana

adept

Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 737

he plays more in one hr than i do in a week =/

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01-12-2010 , 12:56 AM

#179

Freudian

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 5,838

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boku87

I asked Pokerstars:

He does indeed play about 14 hours a day on average, non-stop, keeping
around 90 tables open, mostly folding.
Yeah, he's a sick grinder, but we've thrown all of our best bot detection tools against
him, and he doesn't show any signs of being a bot. We've analyzed his
session times, the computers he plays from, and more. He doesn't appear to
be account sharing, either.

Everything we see tells us "sick grinder", rather than bot.

I hope this has answered your question completely. Please do not hesitate
to let us know any time you need anything.

Best Regards,

Jeff
PokerStars Game Security

Wow, just wow

Perhaps this tells us more about their "best bot detecting tools" than his sick grinding skills.

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01-12-2010 , 02:47 AM

#180

yonnyaus

grinder

Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 685

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Originally Posted by Boku87

Keeping 90 tables open for 14 hours. This is a bot.

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01-12-2010 , 03:52 AM

#181

donkydonk

enthusiast

Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 74

I can't believe this is not a bot.

How can anyone grinding like that and almost for winning such minimal sums?

-> BOT

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01-12-2010 , 03:56 AM

#182

Tom Dwans Son

banned

Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 4,003

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Originally Posted by DarkMysticx

observer chat off?

He probably got chat banned for inciting rage in his opponents. Seems like an effective way to win these double or nothings. Given that he has played 100k of them, he probably knows just how to push your buttons by using effecting chat. He also probably has notes on any player that has ever played one of these SNGs.

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01-12-2010 , 04:02 AM

#183

Tom Dwans Son

banned

Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 4,003

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Originally Posted by donkydonk

I can't believe this is not a bot.

How can anyone grinding like that and almost for winning such minimal sums?

-> BOT

Perhaps minimal to you. Not so minimal to the poker kid in Ghana that is using his OLPC (one laptop per child) to grind out 90 DONs at a time for 14 hrs a day. His whole village is probably decked out in Poker Stars gear.

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01-12-2010 , 04:13 AM

#184

donkydonk

enthusiast

Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 74

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Originally Posted by Tom Dwans Son

If this was an human, imho he wouldn't play such low limits.
This is not logical.
Any person able to grind so many tables at the same time is clever enought to play higher limits (and almost in DON...) and win much more.
So the only explanation I see in grinding so much in such low limits is that it's a bot that can't have a complex game, that uses simple plans which can't work in higher limits.
Sorry for my english.

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01-12-2010 , 04:22 AM

#185

Tom Dwans Son

banned

Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 4,003

^ or perhaps he doesn't have a bankroll large enough to grind higher limits, but he does have 14 hrs a day free. Perhaps he, like a bot, only has very simple strategies which can not work at higher limits.

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01-12-2010 , 04:33 AM

#186

donkydonk

enthusiast

Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 74

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Dwans Son

A person able to grind 90 tables at the same time can easy beat 1$ DONs imo.
And such a person with a more than 1000$ sharkscope + bonus...certainly can play higher.
With only a 100$ bankroll can play higher limits in DONs and win more so...

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01-12-2010 , 07:46 AM

#187

poofinger

adept

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 912

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Originally Posted by Kynikos

I have played about 8600 1$ DoN and been playing rs03rs03 at 319 times according to SharkScope. Apart I have a ROI of 6% and he has a ROI of 3%. Together I have a ROI of 11% and he has -4%. That can be explained that I only play 10 DoN at once and he plays a lot more.

I often wonder who this German player is. How old is he? Does he has a wife? Does he take a bratwurst and a beer sometimes? What car is he driving? Is he fat or thin?

If you look at his graph at SharkScope you will see that he was winning at a good rate. Then something happened. I would say that the same happend to me. The games get tougher and we had the invasion of the russians. Suddenly we had 2-4 russian at every table. And I noticed that some of then didnt play a hand against each other. That if not chipdumping. A typical hand would be like this. Russian1 has big stack and Russian2 has shortstack. Russian1 is pushing every hand with his bigstack but then suddenly when his Russianfriend with the shortstack is gonna be allin if Russian1 raises mini. THEN HE FOLDES. Hmmm.

Strange. Then next hand somebody else raises so the shortstack gonna be allin. Russian1 calls. Flopp AKJ. Now Russian1 goes allin with his bigstack. Guess what he has. Of course 32o.

So I decided to not play tables with max 1 Russian. As you know PokerStar does not tell what country the player is from so I had to search for their cities. Suddenly my ROI was back to more normal rate. Perhaps its because the Russians are so good but I've seen what they call me sometimes with and I pretty sure that they dont play there friends the same way. So now i stopped playing PokerStars. If they want to cheat they dont have the say what city they are from. I have seen players been from places like "My House", "#####!!".

Another thing I noticed is that there is a lot of Chinese players but I never seen 2 Chinese playes at the same table. Strange and I dont now why. They are multitabling a lot but never at the same table.

Excuse me for bad english.

I luv everything in this post, but especially this part. Who amongst us hasn't had these exact same thoughts.

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01-12-2010 , 08:19 AM

#188

fievel

journeyman

Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 384

This a bot who's stuck without his operator, he can't move up, because it has not been programmed to. The pot is stuck, because his operator is gone, dead, abducted by aliens or whatever. PS should send a swat team to his address to turn the bot off imo.

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01-12-2010 , 08:31 AM

#189

donkydonk

enthusiast

Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 74

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Originally Posted by fievel

This a bot who's stuck without his operator, he can't move up, because it has not been programmed to. The pot is stuck, because his operator is gone, dead, abducted by aliens or whatever. PS should send a swat team to his address to turn the bot off imo.

ROFL

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01-12-2010 , 08:37 AM

#190

DaycareInferno

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 18,285

how many tables would it have to play before it would be ok to not bother with the bot detection stuff? 1000?

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01-12-2010 , 08:55 AM

#191

davek300

journeyman

Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 272

Boku, you may be the best, if not then one of the best to answer this.

How many tables do you think it is possible to have open at one time, is 90 tables even possible? Obv DoNs don't require you to do much, but wouldn't it make most PCs spaz out?

In your opinion is this possible without it being a bot?

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01-12-2010 , 09:36 AM

#192

Boku87

grinder

Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 612

When I play up to 60 tables I still have to look at stack sizes, blind size, position etc. but when you don't care about that at all and just play your cards regardless of that, then yes, I think you can play 90 tables.
If he just folds everything except lets say QQ+ and just ships those hands all in without looking at the situation at the tables, then it is easily possible to play that many tables imo

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01-12-2010 , 11:27 AM

#193

David123

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 8,818

damn i need to learn programming.

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01-12-2010 , 11:43 AM

#194

Davey Valentine

grinder

Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 428

oh lol, what a waste of life.

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01-12-2010 , 11:55 AM

#195

NeverS@yDie

centurion

Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 116

I saw him with pocket kings once, didn't open shove (was late in blind levels). Bet 270, 480, 480.

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01-12-2010 , 11:58 AM

#196

dionysian

adept

Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 749

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Originally Posted by NeverS@yDie

I saw him with pocket kings once, didn't open shove (was late in blind levels). Bet 270, 480, 480.

seems bad.

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01-12-2010 , 12:19 PM

#197

Lars1

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 4,971

wow this is actually very impressive. i once tried to play these and got sick of them after around 7 games.

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01-12-2010 , 02:41 PM

#198

SySteMChEck

old hand

Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 1,349

this guy must be a virgin!

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01-12-2010 , 04:59 PM

#199

Kynikos

newbie

Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 36

rs03rs03 (my guesses)

Name: Helmut Schmidt
Car: Audi 100
Work: Caretaker at Bundestag
Favourit Food: Bratwurst and Sauerkraut
Favourit Poker Player: Phil Helmutt
Favourit Person: Benedictus XIV
Favurit Artist: Kraftwerk
Length: 1.87
Weight: 147 kg
Accommodations: 1 room (17 m2)
Hobby: Poker of course
Marital Status: Single