Poker Stars $0.10+$0.00 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t25/t50 Blinds - 8 players
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MP2: t1475
CO: t2070
BTN: t5610
SB: t5475
BB: t518
UTG: t6177
UTG+1: t1568
Hero (MP1): t1430

Pre Flop: Hero is MP1 with A K
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to t150, Hero raises to t1430 all in, 3 folds, SB calls t1405, 2 folds

Flop: (t3060) 8 8 7 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: (t3060) A (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t3060) J (2 players - 1 is all in)




Feel the challenge...

[x] OP delivers.

[x] Dangeraw and Oden eat your heart out

[x] I'm seven Newcastles away from responding to his strategy post.

[x] First post with checkboxes

[x] I overdid it.

I know it won't be a popular opinion in here, but I have to agree with the OP in the sense that people are being unjustifiably rude. He offered a story, and I believe the first few responses were somewhat positive, but when people start insulting it's like a flock of seagulls to bread.

I haven't been around for long, but it seems like a lot of people A) think they are A LOT funnier than they actually are and B) just like putting people down, when in the real world I doubt they mirror this attitude or if they did would probably be disliked by many.

Finally, it boggles my mind how people who openly state they are representatives of online poker rooms would come in here and provide fuel to help insult one of their customers. I highly doubt this would be supported at the executive level.

Anyway, I think in BBV4L is the exception as it is just a joke forum, but I think that there should be more respect in the rest of these "legitimate" forums.

Hey I assumed this thread was in BBV already -- can it be moved there please?

I typed this before, but you must have missed it.

Gamble 1 a: to play a game for money or property b: to bet on an uncertain outcome
2: to stake something on a contingency : take a chance

You could say that the stake was time and the winnings a sense of success. Nowhere does it say the stake has to be $$$. For example, people gamble with their lives by sky diving, bungy jumping, etc.

I don't think your definition necessarily excludes playing poker online for play money.

However, I think I thought the same thing before actually thinking it through. I may have even posted something along the same lines in this thread.

I've no real problem with play money. This is the least of the reasons why the OP is a tool.

He's the guy at the table that lectures people just there for fun. He's that guy, and deserves every bit of abuse he gets.

There is no way under any circumstances that you can win 80% of headsup matches. I play HU S&Gs everyday and even the worse of the wost fish (negative 50% ROI and beyond) can still win 33% of their matches.

Look, I agree that people are harsh in this forum, but play money is a joke. You take it way way wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy too seriously. Probably 80% of the people who play play $ are just screwing around. You on the other hand set these crazy goals and stuff and expect everybody else to take it as seriously as you do.

Hello kind sir, are you interested in joining a great poker forum? Look up rec.gambling.poker. We could use someone of your knowledge and wit over there. Looking forward to it!

Morphy

Uh, hello? He already said it's for...

a) fun and practice (Phil Ivey says he plays FT play money to sharpen his skills! I hope you all realize when you dis Moovyz, you are basically dissing PHIL IVEY!)

b) For the craaaazy hypotheticals that might sharpen your game in real life. Let's say you are at a WPT final table, get QQ on the button, and the five players behind you all shove. The play money experience will clue you in on how to handle the situation.

c) Oh yeah! I...I was...I was writing a story about play money!

Is this English? We're not talking about "betting". We're talking about gambling. In sports betting, the "house" also has a built in edge. They take a piece, no matter which end of the bet you take. Mathematicall, you are not getting true odds. All things being equal, you will lose in the long run, unless your skill is good enough to pick winners more than losers. But that's why the odds are calculated in such a way, that both ends of the bet are generally 50/50, less the commission. No amount of skill will allow you to beat Craps or Roulette, in the long term. Poker is not that way. You do not play against the house. You play against other players. If you are constantly better than your opponents, you mathematically can't lose in the long term. That's still not gambling.

Why are we disguising our identity? Ashamed of yourself? And why, for the simple "crime" of posting a story should we ban someone? What happened to freedom of speech?

Thanks for the support, and the respect. It's nice to know there are a few people out there who are not jerks.

I found it kinda funny (and possibly a bit of a breech of security and privacy) that PS reps got involved, admitted that they were PS employees and contibuted actual "secure" info. But I did invite him so I will not be one to complain too much. But then again, we should not forget that the majority of these are off-shore corporations that fall under no real scrutiny from any democratic nation.

I hope these "players' will show some restraint and not "flame" you as well for stating what must be a contrary opinion.

That's good. Now discuss the play. Was our Hero's raise too high? Would a smaller raise have been more appropriate so that our Hero could get away from the hand on an unfavorable flop? Would a smooth call have been more profitable? And most importantly, do the stakes involved drastically change the nature of the options? What if this were a $10,000 single table, cash event? Among a hundred other possible questions.

"to bet on an uncertain outcome"

And therein lies the rub... how uncertain is of a bet is it over the long term by an expert? What if it's 1,000 hands, Phil Ivey against Jamie Gold? Doesn't seem like much of a risk on the outcome.

Funny, I wasn't aware that we've met. For your information, I rarely talk about poker during a game. Oh, and BTW, You're that guy that who thinks his ____ don't stink. You're that guy!

I feel so much better now, do you?

lol, how is it not a story? OP have u ever played raymer for play money?

Have Josem pull the stats.

I don't "expect" anyone to take it seriously. I do, however, think if you do anything in this life, it should never be at anything less than your best. I don't find it to be a joke in the least, although I can certainly see why people do... there's absolutely no penalty for bad play. I, on the other hand, try to do just the opposite. If I get cracked and drop down to 1 BB in chips, I do my very best to try and get back up. One of my greatest moments in live was literally a chip and a chair. I had (1) $100 at the begining of the final table in a NLHE. I won that. And I find that possibility fascinating and a challenge. I always play expecting to always win. It doesn't always work out that way, but why is it a bad thing to strive for? Even in play money.

No, only in live events... what's your point?

well u keep talkin about him when hes completely irrelevant 2 your poasts, like ur equals or sumthin, but ther seems to be a discrepancy in ur bankrolls

I agree, and OP is the worst one. He's playing in a (for the hundredth time) a PLAY money tournament. You know, the kind where people play purely for fun. OP doesn't like how other people are playing and so starts condescending to them. He's a bore and there to ruin the game because as someone who's played poker for 32 years, it is an apparent revelation that optimal play isn't always rewarded in poker. On top of all that, he makes up some story about how he completely owned a guy in a (101st time) PLAY money tournament (you know, the kind where the other guy is probably playing purely for fun) with all of his "Step #1", "Step #2" nonsense.

There is most definately a discrepancy in our bankrolls. But in 2000, Greg bankroll was pretty similar to mine now. I don't think that ability is simply defined by bankroll. If I had the opportunity, up to now, I would have the bankroll. But many other things have prevented me from playing FT, including family obligations. It is still my plan soon.

Why do I mention him? First Greg is a friend. He's a real person, nothing fake about the man, a gentleman and one of the best players I have ever met. I enjoy talking about him. Equals? No. I won't say that. I believe opportunity has much to do with success. I will be playing in many WSOP events in the coming years and on the circuit. I'm confident in my game. I believe, given the same opportunity, I can give it my best shot and I truly believe I can win one. The ME? Doubtful, even with the game, too many variables. But a bracelet, I have no doubts. I work that hard at it. It is what drives me. I work on some aspect of this everyday. Sometimes by playing play money, ha ha ha. Other times it's reading. I've played against some of the very best. Gavin Smith was a regular in the same event that Greg and I played weekly. I was neither intimidated nor out-classed. You have my permission to laugh now. It doesn't surprise me in the least that people would. But for the people who know me, I doubt the win would surprise them either.

Would Greg be surprised by that statement? I don't think so, but you'd have to ask him.

OK all. Like I said earlier, I've grown very weary of all this. What started out as a simple text has turned into a pissing contest. And although I CAN piss with the best, it doesn't get me off like it does to many of you. Normally, I wouldn't stoop this low but some of the posters deserve worse.

So, go look at a new thread. This one's done. Flame someone else. Watch your Girls Gone Wild and get drunk. I'm outa here!

See you at the finish line.

Why dont you take those play chips, grind them up in a grinder, and smoke them. Because you are burning time playing that stupid as* sh*t called play money.

GTFO

More condescension from OP, what a shock. I like how he looks down his now at people watching Girls Gone Wild and getting drunk, but doesn't realize even that is less pathetic than, Step #1, getting his panties in a bunch over poor play in a PLAY (102d time) money tournament. Step #2, calling out a guy in a PLAY money tournament. And, Step #3, posting a fantasized account of it while dropping Raymer's name at every opportunity.