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Old 11-29-2005, 09:49 PM   #26
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Re: STOP OVERPLAYING POCKET PAIRS AND WHINING WHEN YOU LOSE WITH THEM!

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dude ....think i overplayed this?? WTF THIS IS THE STORY OF MY MTT LIFE

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (9 handed) internettexasholdem.com

UTG+1 (t20437)
MP1 (t7176)
MP2 (t12135)
MP3 (t4580)
CO (t19384)
Hero (t5000)
SB (t14085)
BB (t7280)
UTG (t11083)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A, A.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t150, 1 fold, MP2 raises to t300, MP3 raises to t600, CO calls t600, Hero raises to t5000, 2 folds, UTG+1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 calls t3980 (All-In), CO calls t4400.

Flop: (t15255) Q, 7, Q (3 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (t15255) 8 (3 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t15255) 9 (3 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t15255

Results in white below:
MP3 has Kh Kd (flush, king high).
CO has 4c 4h (two pair, queens and fours).
Hero has As Ah (two pair, aces and queens).
Outcome: MP3 wins t14415. Hero wins t840.

Obviously. They had 4 outs to beat you. You only had 2. 2:1 you get knocked out there.
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Old 11-29-2005, 09:54 PM   #27
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dude ....think i overplayed this?? WTF THIS IS THE STORY OF MY MTT LIFE

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (9 handed) internettexasholdem.com

UTG+1 (t20437)
MP1 (t7176)
MP2 (t12135)
MP3 (t4580)
CO (t19384)
Hero (t5000)
SB (t14085)
BB (t7280)
UTG (t11083)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A, A.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t150, 1 fold, MP2 raises to t300, MP3 raises to t600, CO calls t600, Hero raises to t5000, 2 folds, UTG+1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 calls t3980 (All-In), CO calls t4400.

Flop: (t15255) Q, 7, Q (3 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (t15255) 8 (3 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t15255) 9 (3 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t15255

Results in white below:
MP3 has Kh Kd (flush, king high).
CO has 4c 4h (two pair, queens and fours).
Hero has As Ah (two pair, aces and queens).
Outcome: MP3 wins t14415. Hero wins t840.

Obviously. They had 4 outs to beat you. You only had 2. 2:1 you get knocked out there.
This is correct. Of course, he was getting 2:1 on his money, so preflop this was an EV neutral situation. And since you want to get your money in when you have the best of it, not when the pot odds are dead even, that makes this a fold.
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Old 11-29-2005, 10:21 PM   #28
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Hey idiot, the difference is with a pocket pair, you don't have to improve.
... its not fun when its this easy
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Old 11-29-2005, 11:12 PM   #29
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Re: STOP OVERPLAYING POCKET PAIRS AND WHINING WHEN YOU LOSE WITH THEM!

this whole bad beat forum is the only reason internet poker will never "dry up" - just when someone learns to play. they'll take a bad beat and post here with the sarcasm button not pressed and read about the doom switch sign on and off 20 times then go all in with 67 and think they are 3:1
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Old 11-30-2005, 01:39 AM   #30
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You say 3:1 fav to improve for overcards -- haven't you ignored the fact that the pocket pair doesn't have to improve to win or is this thread a joke? It seems like all the threads under this topic have some underlying sarcasm to them...

holly crap i just choked on some cranberry juice ); nh sir
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Old 11-30-2005, 10:37 AM   #31
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This is correct. Of course, he was getting 2:1 on his money, so preflop this was an EV neutral situation. And since you want to get your money in when you have the best of it, not when the pot odds are dead even, that makes this a fold.
But wait, for that whole probability thing, don't you have to subtract some number from 1 to get the actual probability number?

So in your example, 1 - 2:1 would yield -1:0, or in other words any number divided by zero is 1, so mathematically, you were 1:1 to lose that hand, which is pretty close to 100% actually. This is a fold every time, if you care anything at all about Sklansky dollars.

And 4:1 odds makes it even worse. Using the math, that works out to over 175% against you winning with Pocket Aces against any 2 random cards.

Math is hard, but playing Pocket Aces is not. FOLD.
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Old 11-30-2005, 11:40 AM   #32
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THE FIRST SEVEN TROLL POSTS WERE FUNNY. THEY ARENT FUNNY ANYMORE
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Old 11-30-2005, 11:58 AM   #33
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Thank You. I'm just so sick of the whining on these boards "Waah Waah, I lost with AA to KQ." KQ HAD SIX OUTS TO IMPROVE IDIOT, YOU ONLY HAD TWO!
Realize in this example that AA is a made hand and KQ has to improve. This is where the error of you math comes in. But I don't think you were talking about AA vs. xx. I though (at first) you were talking about (for example) QQ vs. AK or 99 vs. KJs.
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Old 11-30-2005, 12:02 PM   #34
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THE FIRST SEVEN TROLL POSTS WERE FUNNY. THEY ARENT FUNNY ANYMORE
IF YOU MAKE A POST ON THIS BOARD THAT ISN'T A TROLL POST THEN YOU SUCK AT POKER.
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Old 11-30-2005, 12:19 PM   #35
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dids:

In this new age of enlightenment, realize the O RLY owl is played out.

You need to gain some knowledge:



PS: OP is correct. You all suck at poker.
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Old 11-30-2005, 12:31 PM   #36
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THE FIRST SEVEN TROLL POSTS WERE FUNNY. THEY ARENT FUNNY ANYMORE
I'm sure screaming about it got your point across all that much more. Do you feel better now?
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Old 11-30-2005, 12:32 PM   #37
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dude ....think i overplayed this?? WTF THIS IS THE STORY OF MY MTT LIFE

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (9 handed) internettexasholdem.com

UTG+1 (t20437)
MP1 (t7176)
MP2 (t12135)
MP3 (t4580)
CO (t19384)
Hero (t5000)
SB (t14085)
BB (t7280)
UTG (t11083)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A, A.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t150, 1 fold, MP2 raises to t300, MP3 raises to t600, CO calls t600, Hero raises to t5000, 2 folds, UTG+1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 calls t3980 (All-In), CO calls t4400.

Flop: (t15255) Q, 7, Q (3 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (t15255) 8 (3 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t15255) 9 (3 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t15255

Results in white below:
MP3 has Kh Kd (flush, king high).
CO has 4c 4h (two pair, queens and fours).
Hero has As Ah (two pair, aces and queens).
Outcome: MP3 wins t14415. Hero wins t840.

Obviously. They had 4 outs to beat you. You only had 2. 2:1 you get knocked out there.
What are you whining about...you all had the same two outs to win...which means you were all 50%. Imagine winning that pot and getting 150%!!!
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Old 11-30-2005, 02:07 PM   #38
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This is correct. Of course, he was getting 2:1 on his money, so preflop this was an EV neutral situation. And since you want to get your money in when you have the best of it, not when the pot odds are dead even, that makes this a fold.
But wait, for that whole probability thing, don't you have to subtract some number from 1 to get the actual probability number?

So in your example, 1 - 2:1 would yield -1:0, or in other words any number divided by zero is 1, so mathematically, you were 1:1 to lose that hand, which is pretty close to 100% actually. This is a fold every time, if you care anything at all about Sklansky dollars.

And 4:1 odds makes it even worse. Using the math, that works out to over 175% against you winning with Pocket Aces against any 2 random cards.

Math is hard, but playing Pocket Aces is not. FOLD.
I think I could find a CALL here ...aces are dominated, but implied odds make a call correct?
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Old 11-30-2005, 02:18 PM   #39
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lol You got me
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Old 11-30-2005, 04:00 PM   #40
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This is correct. Of course, he was getting 2:1 on his money, so preflop this was an EV neutral situation. And since you want to get your money in when you have the best of it, not when the pot odds are dead even, that makes this a fold.
But wait, for that whole probability thing, don't you have to subtract some number from 1 to get the actual probability number?

So in your example, 1 - 2:1 would yield -1:0, or in other words any number divided by zero is 1, so mathematically, you were 1:1 to lose that hand, which is pretty close to 100% actually. This is a fold every time, if you care anything at all about Sklansky dollars.

And 4:1 odds makes it even worse. Using the math, that works out to over 175% against you winning with Pocket Aces against any 2 random cards.

Math is hard, but playing Pocket Aces is not. FOLD.
I think I could find a CALL here ...aces are dominated, but implied odds make a call correct?
Well, I've thought about it some more. And like I said, from a strict pot odds point, its EV neutral, you all have a 1:3 shot of winning and you're all getting 3:1 on your money. Assuming you play well postflop and can outplay your opponents if you hit your outs, then yeah, implied odds may make this worth a call.
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Old 11-30-2005, 04:59 PM   #41
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That means overcards are at least a 3:1 favorite to improve and win the hand.
No. And this is not nearly as funny as Sponger's.
DO THE MATH MORAN! POCKET PAIR OUTS: 2. OVERCARD OUTS: 6. 2:6=1:3. OVERCARDS ARE A 3:1 FAVORITE.

You must really suck at poker.
LEARN TO SPELL MORON, MORON!
You must really suck at English.
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Old 11-30-2005, 05:16 PM   #42
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if you run any pckt pr. in a program that plays EVERY possible hand then you will realize that the 55% to 45% favorite that pckt prs have is true

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and calm down
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Old 11-30-2005, 05:17 PM   #43
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moron is spelled with two o's...moron...you moron
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Old 11-30-2005, 05:18 PM   #44
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Moran is actually spelled:
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Old 11-30-2005, 05:20 PM   #45
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you have a very high opinion of yourself JMAN. relax please
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Old 11-30-2005, 05:20 PM   #46
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That means overcards are at least a 3:1 favorite to improve and win the hand.
No. And this is not nearly as funny as Sponger's.
DO THE MATH MORAN! POCKET PAIR OUTS: 2. OVERCARD OUTS: 6. 2:6=1:3. OVERCARDS ARE A 3:1 FAVORITE.

You must really suck at poker.
LEARN TO SPELL MORON, MORON!
You must really suck at English.
One of these days (soon) you're going to look back on this post, and realize how wrong, and silly you were.
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Old 11-30-2005, 05:21 PM   #47
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That means overcards are at least a 3:1 favorite to improve and win the hand.
No. And this is not nearly as funny as Sponger's.
DO THE MATH MORAN! POCKET PAIR OUTS: 2. OVERCARD OUTS: 6. 2:6=1:3. OVERCARDS ARE A 3:1 FAVORITE.

You must really suck at poker.
I JUST GOT HERE AND HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IS GOING ON

And I really suck at life.

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Old 11-30-2005, 05:21 PM   #48
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if you run any pckt pr. in a program that plays EVERY possible hand then you will realize that the 55% to 45% favorite that pckt prs have is true

pokerstove.com <-------------try it yourself

and calm down
The fact that you still don't understand this thread after 30 posts is really quite a testament to how awesome this forum is. The math is all there, I don't need a silly program to tell me how to reduce fractions. The fact that you do is very sad.
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Old 11-30-2005, 05:22 PM   #49
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if you run any pckt pr. in a program that plays EVERY possible hand then you will realize that the 55% to 45% favorite that pckt prs have is true

pokerstove.com <-------------try it yourself

and calm down
The fact that you still don't understand this thread after 30 posts is really quite a testament to how awesome this forum is. The math is all there, I don't need a silly program to tell me how to reduce fractions. The fact that you do is very sad.

this thread made me realize what "beats" means
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Old 11-30-2005, 05:23 PM   #50
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This thread is really laming up the forum right now
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