1. i give a [censored] about razz

2. u've clearly never played full tilt in your life. that or you're just a [censored] ******. stop posting. forever.

I could be wrong but I don't think FT does that, it just sorts them high to low

also, the dead cards do matter on 3rd and I would consider just calling/peeling one on fourth if you bricked

This is my problem with limit

what is this 'limited razz' ?

bizarro world hold them???

i hope she gets well soon

It's not common knowledge, please elaborate.

All this thread made me do.............


was realize how much I miss Half-Pot Limit Badugi.

First of all when it showdowns THEY DO rearange cards, you never know what he had in the hole.
Second you are an idiot for raising with a K showing.
Third I don't feel like making fun of you anymore, but ya bad play.

i'm still unsure of the answer...i just know it to be true. trail and error, meh.

A234 in razz = rolled up in stud = nut straight on flop in omaha = kk in hold em.

That's 2 straight posts you have made in this thread that make little sense. In other words, it is a powerhouse hand, but it's not the nuts? Gee thanks.

Either way, I'd be willing to bet a decent, but not big amount of $$$ that A234 start is better than A23 start in Razz, and if you're just saying ANY wheel draw is worse in general than A23 start, that's obv closer, but I;d still think any wheel draw is better.

Seriously, this just sounds ******edly obv. If you are going to make such a bold statement as calling this "common knowledge, you should have some facts to back it up.

Also, FWIW(dunno if this calculates properly 3 vs 4 cards, but);

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=3025024
pokenum -mc 500000 -r as 2s 3d - ad 2h 3c 4d
Razz (7-card Stud A-5 Low): 500000 sampled outcomes
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
As 2s 3d 139279 27.86 344260 68.85 16461 3.29 0.295
3c Ad 4d 2h 344260 68.85 139279 27.86 16461 3.29 0.705

Even the WORST wheel draw is far better;

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=3025027
pokenum -mc 500000 -r as 2s 3d - 5s 4c 3h 2h
Razz (7-card Stud A-5 Low): 500000 sampled outcomes
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
As 2s 3d 162782 32.56 332147 66.43 5071 1.01 0.331
5s 4c 3h 2h 332147 66.43 162782 32.56 5071 1.01 0.669

So I'm just gonna go out on a limb and guess you have no clue what you are talking about.

hey man keep posting you'll be a bbv superstar one of these days. but until then let's summarize the thread

1) FTP sorts (not shuffles) hole cards.
2) you had the best hand on fourth but your opponent had better equity
3) wannabe BBV superstar BTYS tells me that i am a horrible poster
4) still no one gives a [censored] about razz

e:

5) you are wrong and you are a whiny little bitch

"wanna be"?

pfffffffffffffft, please

god himself wishes he were me

lol, <3 his early street play.

sucka drew a wheel on your ass and you bricked off.

at least you found good games.

Barron

See, it's trolling like this I don't even understand.

Scroll up, it's not hard to remember. Nobody was talking to you and you started talking s--t out of the blue. Remember when you typed this,

?

That's the definition of being a "whiny little bitch".

Surely you're not dumb enough to think I or anybody else is dumb enough to not notice this?

I mean, come on bro, you're at 2p2 with some of the premier world-class trolls. This bush league trolling is just laughable.

All,

Meh, I only posted this hand because the simplicity of it (A234 wheel draw) would appeal to non razz players. Equity wise not the worst beat i'll see in a 50 hand span. I had to say 'so mother [censored] sick' cuz i'm a big fan of hyperbole but it's like an AA getting cracked by a KK.

im honestly sorry. i truly thought you were being sarcastic to my sarcatic remark. A234 is an amazing hand that i will gladly throw all of my money in on all day. i was just messing around as wheel draws in 4 "always tend to brick out"...100% just messing around ala " oh jesus, wheel draw in four...this should be fun". i respect your posts, so i apologize for the misunderstanding.

ok i just want to make sure i have the facts straight you are calling yourself a world class troll and posting a thread in bbv entitled 'so mother [censored] sick' where you are on the wrong end of a 50.6/49.4 and lose.

do i have them right

chump change,

please explain the analogy between capping a street as a 49.4/50.6 dog and losing the hand and getting AA cracked by KK

tia

Chump Change-

I play a sadly massive amount of razz on FTP. You're wrong about the shuffler. Your check/call is actually still ok because that ace will have very often paired him, at least a high enough % of the time to merit a river call.

Also, critiques of third have merit (though its a pretty small difference), believe it or not.

lol at nl players giving hand advice

no

sorry bro

hope to see you again in another thread

The point is, it's not even a bad beat. You were beat from 4th street so it's not like he drew on you on 7th.

This is wrong, too.

I don't think I like the 3-bet on 5th, though. [/end strategy]