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Rigged? Rigged?

09-14-2019 , 05:50 AM
I had pocket fours on the button and someone(turns out the pocket sevens) raised to 3x in early position and got three callers ahead of me. They all had deep stacks so it was a solid opportunity to play the 4's as a drawing hand with good implied odds. Got a 4AQ rainbow flop so obviously about as good as I could hope for. Pocket sevens guy bet half pot, I raised him and he called. Turn was a 9 and he went all in. I called, river was a seven.

Last edited by Mike Haven; 09-14-2019 at 11:07 AM. Reason: Copied from riggies' thread in IP
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09-14-2019 , 03:45 PM
and your point is ?????
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09-14-2019 , 03:57 PM
I'm sold. Turns out it is rigged after all.
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09-14-2019 , 05:11 PM
FINALLY someone proved it!
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09-14-2019 , 05:41 PM
I mean, the river was a friggin' seven!
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09-14-2019 , 05:52 PM
Thanks for this thread OP.
By your statement we can deduce certain things and confirm it is indeed rigged.
Thanks.
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09-14-2019 , 06:35 PM
It is really frustrating when people take lines that no one would ever make and it works out for them- I remember a table that played standard for hours and then suddenly someone open shoved for like 50 bb preflop with a hand like 73o and made two pair when I called waking up with KK (only on that one isolated hand). It felt very much like he “knew” my hole cards and the resulting runout.

Some of the people who act like robots on the forum are lying to you when they say this is all normal and they don’t get upset at this, but it is true that at the end of the day this is why poker is potentially profitable. You make money when other people make mistakes. Sometimes their mistakes end up with you losing money, but your only goal is to win EV.
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09-14-2019 , 11:57 PM
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Originally Posted by redbuck
and your point is ?????
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09-15-2019 , 12:31 AM
This is wildly out of context and I never posted this as its own thread. I posted a reply to the huge "Is online poker rigged?" thread that made a small mention of this hand as one part of a lot of things that made me suspicious(not made me some conspiracy theorist who's sure it's rigged, just made me wonder a little if the specific site I'm playing on can be trusted). Someone quoted that and made some incorrect assumptions about the specifics of the hand so this was a quote reply to them fully explaining the hand.

Not sure why it got moved to its own thread with a title I never made, but I agree that it makes me look ridiculous.

Edit: Here is the original.

Last edited by thisdckaintFREEEE; 09-15-2019 at 12:41 AM.
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09-15-2019 , 01:07 AM
heres the deal: despite how ridiculously gut wrenching and improbable events seem when playing online, the truth is that the RNG's are random. The sites have no incentive to screw their players or generate action hands, they rake millions out of their player pools. My advice is dont pursue this any further, because there are many people who just cannot get on board with the idea that online is fair because of XYZ events they went through, and they are vocal...yet when they bink a tourney you see them return to the thread and say 'hey guys, i was wrong, its fair, etc'
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09-15-2019 , 03:07 AM
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Originally Posted by +EVillain
heres the deal: despite how ridiculously gut wrenching and improbable events seem when playing online, the truth is that the RNG's are random. The sites have no incentive to screw their players or generate action hands, they rake millions out of their player pools. My advice is dont pursue this any further, because there are many people who just cannot get on board with the idea that online is fair because of XYZ events they went through, and they are vocal...yet when they bink a tourney you see them return to the thread and say 'hey guys, i was wrong, its fair, etc'
I get that it's more of a common, nutjob conspiracy theorist type of thing on here than I realized before adding a post to that thread on my experience that made me suspicious. I was surprised to see so much hostility but like I said over there I guess it makes a lot of sense... If you feel cheated, you're probably going to be angry. If you feel it's a matter of bad players looking for an excuse it's going to be more than a little annoying by the time there's a thread as long as that one on it. Seems like a formula for a lot of potential hostility so I get that. Anyway, I won't go and repeat everything I've already said over there.

My problem was this post being essentially made for me by a mod and making me look like a nutjob. Putting that post in its own thread titled "Rigged?" isn't something I ever would've done and it seemed crazy that a mod would do that on a user's behalf. He's PM'd me and I realize that his intent was just to share my bad beat in BBV, so that's fine I just wouldn't have titled it "Rigged?" had I made it. I'm not some nutjob thinking all online poker is rigged or even that the site I use is definitely rigged or anything. I just had enough happen in weird, extremely unlikely but consistent enough ways to make me wonder to the point that I wouldn't trust putting any more money in. I've played a lot of online poker and I've never suspected anything like that at all on any other site or before on this site.

Most importantly in the context of this thread, this individual hand isn't what made me suspicious.
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09-15-2019 , 03:25 AM
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Originally Posted by thisdckaintFREEEE
This is wildly out of context and I never posted this as its own thread. I posted a reply to the huge "Is online poker rigged?" thread that made a small mention of this hand as one part of a lot of things that made me suspicious(not made me some conspiracy theorist who's sure it's rigged, just made me wonder a little if the specific site I'm playing on can be trusted). Someone quoted that and made some incorrect assumptions about the specifics of the hand so this was a quote reply to them fully explaining the hand.

Not sure why it got moved to its own thread with a title I never made, but I agree that it makes me look ridiculous.

Edit: Here is the original.
2+2 is rigged!
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09-15-2019 , 04:10 AM
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Originally Posted by fidstar-poker
2+2 is rigged!
HOW DEEP DOES THIS GO?
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09-15-2019 , 05:31 AM
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Originally Posted by thisdckaintFREEEE
I get that it's more of a common, nutjob conspiracy theorist type of thing on here than I realized before adding a post to that thread on my experience that made me suspicious. I was surprised to see so much hostility but like I said over there I guess it makes a lot of sense... If you feel cheated, you're probably going to be angry. If you feel it's a matter of bad players looking for an excuse it's going to be more than a little annoying by the time there's a thread as long as that one on it. Seems like a formula for a lot of potential hostility so I get that. Anyway, I won't go and repeat everything I've already said over there.

My problem was this post being essentially made for me by a mod and making me look like a nutjob. Putting that post in its own thread titled "Rigged?" isn't something I ever would've done and it seemed crazy that a mod would do that on a user's behalf. He's PM'd me and I realize that his intent was just to share my bad beat in BBV, so that's fine I just wouldn't have titled it "Rigged?" had I made it. I'm not some nutjob thinking all online poker is rigged or even that the site I use is definitely rigged or anything. I just had enough happen in weird, extremely unlikely but consistent enough ways to make me wonder to the point that I wouldn't trust putting any more money in. I've played a lot of online poker and I've never suspected anything like that at all on any other site or before on this site.

Most importantly in the context of this thread, this individual hand isn't what made me suspicious.
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09-15-2019 , 09:39 AM
One time, something didn’t go my way, which is proof that life is rigged
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09-15-2019 , 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Colin_Piddle
did u actually read?
what does it say
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09-15-2019 , 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by michaelorcharlie
did u actually read?
what does it say
The TL;DR version is that I never posted this thread, a mod posted it on my behalf. At this point I'd rather leave it up with explanation than ask that it be deleted.
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09-15-2019 , 09:54 PM
I think in this case it was produced by 2p2's very own Mike Haven, a man with extraordinary power, and you should feel blessed that he made you a thread in this beautiful subforum.

Honestly, 2p2 would be nothing without BBV.
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09-15-2019 , 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by AlwaysFolding
I think in this case it was produced by 2p2's very own Mike Haven, a man with extraordinary power, and you should feel blessed that he made you a thread in this beautiful subforum.

Honestly, 2p2 would be nothing without BBV.
Yeah like I said I realize his intent and understand, I know he wasn't out to make me look like an idiot or anything. I just wanted to be sure to clear it up since the replies are, well, what they understandably would be after this is posted with the title "Rigged?"
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09-16-2019 , 12:26 AM
Wait, wait, wait.

You think he was doing this to NOT make you look like an idiot?
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09-16-2019 , 01:24 AM
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Originally Posted by AlwaysFolding
Wait, wait, wait.

You think he was doing this to NOT make you look like an idiot?
He did make me look like a nutjob and an idiot. I realize his intent was just to share a bad beat, and I think he should've done so with a different title.

Again, I'm not going to repeat everything I've already said in the other thread. Feel free to go read it there if you'd like.
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09-16-2019 , 08:51 AM
no, YOU fly a kite
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09-16-2019 , 09:05 AM
confurmed rigged
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09-16-2019 , 11:34 AM
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confurmed rigged
Confirmed rugged
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09-16-2019 , 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted by thisdckaintFREEEE
Yeah like I said I realize his intent and understand, I know he wasn't out to make me look like an idiot or anything. I just wanted to be sure to clear it up since the replies are, well, what they understandably would be after this is posted with the title "Rigged?"
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Originally Posted by thisdckaintFREEEE
He did make me look like a nutjob and an idiot. I realize his intent was just to share a bad beat, and I think he should've done so with a different title.

Again, I'm not going to repeat everything I've already said in the other thread. Feel free to go read it there if you'd like.
can't speak for mike but i think you might be giving him too much credit here

not much other reason to post this here other than to share how nutty/idiotic the post is. there isn't a shortage of 2 outer bad beats or anything such that we need to go mining for them on other threads
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