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11-15-2011 , 05:29 PM
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11-15-2011 , 05:36 PM
Nice, that's nice.
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11-15-2011 , 05:55 PM
do you feel like against regs you are more focused?

I feel like playing plo50 and plo100 fish is much harder if you are a good player because of the range that they constantly jam it in and you have to fade all the time.

good luck man keep it up
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11-15-2011 , 06:00 PM
Really wish I had gotten action on Joey. :/
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11-15-2011 , 06:01 PM
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Really wish I had gotten action on Joey. :/
Thats what they said about phasE89
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11-15-2011 , 07:39 PM
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I was thinking this last month and think it more now but as weird as it sounds I like playing with like 1 fish/regs at the table then with like 3/4 fish (most tables at plo50/100) because for whatever reason I cannot beat a table with 4 fish at it but can do well vs regs. Def doing it wrong somehow
I've thought about this a bit too and I think there's a logical reason for it. Most regs play in a fairly straightforward, predictable, and standard manner. They take lines that make sense, use logic, and you know the optimal play in many situations vs them.

Fish are erratic and illogical. When they play 70% of hands you have to worry about them having a set of 2s or two pair on a 932 flop a lot more often. Sometimes there'll be a super passive fish who check-raises you and against TAGs it is standard to get it in but vs this fish the correct thing would be to fold, so you make a mistake there. You will be donked into more in places that make no sense and you'll go "huh? hmm what does he have". Your 3bet and 4bet ranges might need to adjust to maximise your preflop edge. All of this takes time and thinking and if you're playing 16+ tables it gets harder and harder to do to do the point that you start making more and more mistakes.

I think if you were playing 4-8 tables then you would certainly do better on the tables with the fish than on those with the regs but when you pump it up to 20 tables then there's a sudden shift in your ability to adjust and all of a sudden you are making mistakes all over the place, timing out, getting frazzled, etc.
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11-15-2011 , 07:55 PM
Plus higher rake eats into your profits (although I had 1/2 rake still high oddly enough)
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11-15-2011 , 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Roy
I've thought about this a bit too and I think there's a logical reason for it. Most regs play in a fairly straightforward, predictable, and standard manner. They take lines that make sense, use logic, and you know the optimal play in many situations vs them.

Fish are erratic and illogical. When they play 70% of hands you have to worry about them having a set of 2s or two pair on a 932 flop a lot more often. Sometimes there'll be a super passive fish who check-raises you and against TAGs it is standard to get it in but vs this fish the correct thing would be to fold, so you make a mistake there. You will be donked into more in places that make no sense and you'll go "huh? hmm what does he have". Your 3bet and 4bet ranges might need to adjust to maximise your preflop edge. All of this takes time and thinking and if you're playing 16+ tables it gets harder and harder to do to do the point that you start making more and more mistakes.

I think if you were playing 4-8 tables then you would certainly do better on the tables with the fish than on those with the regs but when you pump it up to 20 tables then there's a sudden shift in your ability to adjust and all of a sudden you are making mistakes all over the place, timing out, getting frazzled, etc.
this is quite good but could be summarized as:

you have a bigger edge v fish but have to do more work to exploit it
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11-15-2011 , 08:42 PM
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this is quite good but could be summarized as:

you have a bigger edge v fish but have to do more work to exploit it
well said
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11-16-2011 , 12:14 AM
Also you can do higherlevelstuff against regs, which don`t work against fish because they just dont fold(bluffshoving with blockers etc).
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11-16-2011 , 12:03 PM
Gogogogogogo!
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11-16-2011 , 12:57 PM
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I've thought about this a bit too and I think there's a logical reason for it. Most regs play in a fairly straightforward, predictable, and standard manner. They take lines that make sense, use logic, and you know the optimal play in many situations vs them.

Fish are erratic and illogical. When they play 70% of hands you have to worry about them having a set of 2s or two pair on a 932 flop a lot more often. Sometimes there'll be a super passive fish who check-raises you and against TAGs it is standard to get it in but vs this fish the correct thing would be to fold, so you make a mistake there. You will be donked into more in places that make no sense and you'll go "huh? hmm what does he have". Your 3bet and 4bet ranges might need to adjust to maximise your preflop edge. All of this takes time and thinking and if you're playing 16+ tables it gets harder and harder to do to do the point that you start making more and more mistakes.

I think if you were playing 4-8 tables then you would certainly do better on the tables with the fish than on those with the regs but when you pump it up to 20 tables then there's a sudden shift in your ability to adjust and all of a sudden you are making mistakes all over the place, timing out, getting frazzled, etc.
no offense but this is kind of funny.. playing against a fish in omaha is really easy. you just wait for good hands and get the money in, they call to the river with overpairs on paired boards, lower straights, trips when it's obvious you have a FH, etc.. the only reason a reg is losing in the long run to tables full of fish is because he's trying to make them fold. I see it all the time, these regs play a standard style without paying attention and adjusting to players because they play 20 tables. they play fish the same way they play regs. they make cbets to players who fold 10% to cbets and than check fold on the turn or river.. winning poker is adjusting to players. players who never fold (aka fish) are the easiest to play against. just get the money in with the nuts
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11-16-2011 , 01:09 PM
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no offense but this is kind of funny.. playing against a fish in omaha is really easy. you just wait for good hands and get the money in, they call to the river with overpairs on paired boards, lower straights, trips when it's obvious you have a FH, etc.. the only reason a reg is losing in the long run to tables full of fish is because he's trying to make them fold. I see it all the time, these regs play a standard style without paying attention and adjusting to players because they play 20 tables. they play fish the same way they play regs. they make cbets to players who fold 10% to cbets and than check fold on the turn or river.. winning poker is adjusting to players. players who never fold (aka fish) are the easiest to play against. just get the money in with the nuts
no offense, but in what way is this different from what roy said?
and FYI, I find getting the money in with the nuts works pretty well against regs too.
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11-16-2011 , 01:31 PM
Well isn't the reason why its easiest to play against fish is bc u don't need the nuts all the time (when it hits showdown)
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11-16-2011 , 01:50 PM
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no offense, but in what way is this different from what roy said?
and FYI, I find getting the money in with the nuts works pretty well against regs too.
yeah maybe you're right and we mean pretty much the same thing. just think its funny when regs can't win in the long run on tables full of fish. getting the nuts in works pretty well against regs too yea lol, but with regs you can actually make plays and make them fold occasionally
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11-16-2011 , 01:51 PM
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Well isn't the reason why its easiest to play against fish is bc u don't need the nuts all the time (when it hits showdown)
depends on the fish. fish don't all play one style, got to adjust to the player. and sometimes it's better to fold in marginal spots when you're 50% sure and get it in when you're pretty sure you have him beat. the fish is gonna give his money away eventually anyway.
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11-16-2011 , 02:40 PM
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Plus higher rake eats into your profits (although I had 1/2 rake still high oddly enough)
but then he gets less for SNE
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11-16-2011 , 04:07 PM
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but then he gets less for SNE
yea, I was just saying the ridic high rake at micros affects his winrate (not saying sole factor or he should quit playing micros but something to consider)
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11-16-2011 , 04:11 PM
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depends on the fish. fish don't all play one style, got to adjust to the player. and sometimes it's better to fold in marginal spots when you're 50% sure and get it in when you're pretty sure you have him beat. the fish is gonna give his money away eventually anyway.
of course it depends on the situation etc and u have to adjust (duh poker ) but in general u can get more value in spots vs fish then in spots against regs u are looking to pot control or get to showdown
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11-16-2011 , 05:14 PM
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what if someone were to teach you how to play low variance and good winrate winning 6max nl? rarely more than 4bi downswings and only a few 10-15bi downswings per year.. average a bout 2-5 losing days per month for the past couple years..


wft?! Do you know anything about PLO? The style you suggest doesn't exist 1 tabling, let alone 20 tabling PLO.
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11-16-2011 , 05:29 PM
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wft?! Do you know anything about poker?
fyp
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11-16-2011 , 05:35 PM
breadandbutter please stop this bull****. GL CJ.
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11-16-2011 , 07:38 PM
still would like to bet against this, but secretly would like him to do it too..
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11-17-2011 , 04:15 AM
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wft?! Do you know anything about PLO? The style you suggest doesn't exist 1 tabling, let alone 20 tabling PLO.
Are you still in 3rd grade? can't you read?
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11-17-2011 , 04:29 AM
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still would like to bet against this, but secretly would like him to do it too..
Willing to bet on him still at original odds. Pm me if you're serious.
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