Here's hoping

Played against you on prima. Looks almost impossible but I wish you the best so good luck to you sir!

before this was edited, i believe you said you also purchased some hands and PTR premium. you are aware thats against the sites TOS and thus your cheating and therefore this bet should be null and void right? just want the betters to be aware that before this was snapedited by "totheinternet" you claimed you purchased hh. therefore you're gaining an unfair edge in this bet. i don't personally care, but the betters should be made aware.

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I think you have a lot of explaining to do totheinternet.

And I read post prior to editing also and can confirm deleting text was in fact what ********** put in bold.

my previous post was edited because someone pmed me and recommended it. not saying im going to use hand histories now but over 15,000 people, many of which play on pokerstars, have bought hand histories from table ratings. if pokerstars is going to punish one person, they have to punish everyone, and by doing this they have to block datamining altogether. i doubt any preparation i do for this bet will bother the bettors, but if it does, let me know. i already spoke with big bettors and jalex about this issue. if pokerstars decides to take any action regarding posts made in the 2+2 forum then the prop bet may become null.

I will abide by whatever Jalex's ruling is on this.

Don't care much either way, but I only have a rooting interest and am not a significant bettor in this prop.

well last month my account was suspended for 30 days because i posted about buying hand histories on this forum and someone reported me to the site. as i found out just because 15000+ have purchased them, doesnt mean anything because those 15000+ havent come on a forum and admitted to it, making it very easy for the sites to enforce it, whereas otherwise they have no way to enforce it. you can spin it however you want, the bottomline is you admitted to purchasing them, its against the TOS, and the betters should be made aware. i would imagine someone like gomukyaself that has 30k in this bet, would like to know that you have a wealth of knowledge on everyone else, and they have no knowledge on you.

fair point. ill admit to purchasing a gun. guns are used to kill people. no proof i've ever killed anyone. if i did purchase hand histories, there is no proof i will ever use them. using them is what is against the TOS. any hand histories I could have potentially purchased and could have potentially used would all be deleted today since there is no use for them. they are against pokerstars TOS and should not be used on pokerstars, so they won't be.

the next 1-2 hours i am going to think about if i want a last minute cancellation of the bet. already on the bad side of this, but wanted to take in the -ev for the entertainment of the community and the degen side of me.

just to make things clear, I have never used hand histories on pokerstars

Basically, when I saw his post, I recommended he edit it. He did not realize he couldn't use them/that it was against Stars TOS.

I also recommended that he NOT use them/delete them to avoid issues. I believe him when he says he's going to delete them. He's been very transparent with me.

As far as my personal opinion, I don't care either way. Frankly, I required him to play on PokerStars to do this (if I was judging) because Stars is known for cooperating and works against manipulation/cheating. The fact that he had to change networks for the bet basically eliminated his knowledge of all the people he normally plays against, so I saw it as a wash.

Frankly, the fact that he's going to have to play 250k-300k hands MINIMUM to have a chance at this makes it totally immaterial in my eyes. It's not like this is a bet for how good he could run for 24 hours where being an unknown might be an advantage.

Again, if any bettors want out, please to be letting me know. I'm confident that OP wasn't angling or being malicious, based on our conversations and his reaction to this. I don't have any vested interest, so both sides that have money on the line can do whatever they like.

silent , dont cancel ...this looks like it will be excellent to follow and i wish you the best of luck in doing it.
i believe you are genuine and whilst youll get some bbver's jumping all over this (minor thing imo) just focus on the task at hand...like you said you have enough to worry about..

by no means do i think op is angling or being malicious. i just wanted this to be brough to light for the betters sakes. i wasnt posting this to be a dick, just wanted people to be aware. if he deletes them and doesnt use them then its fine.

Iv put up 3k here and i couldnt really give a **** if he gets HHs for his database, i allready expected him to do that. Its an insanely hard bet and i dont mind if the guy trys to take any little edge he can find. So far hes come across as 100% trustworthy and people with no interest in the bet,coming in and upsetting things over something so minor are a bit out of line, even if they did it with best interests at heart.

hand histories? who cares

vizer02

everything fine with me, lets get this party started

Like Esand said....this bet is already so difficult the little "edge" that he gets from the hh's is pretty irrelevant. I'd assume the majority of Stars 100nl regs have purchased them...

i think anyone who bet against OP already knew about the fact that OP could buy hand histories. i think its unfair if silent doesn't have the same privilege as the rest of the pokerstars regs

GL Silent you got this!

im suprised how many people in here don't care about buying hh. if this was the ftp regs thread you'd be getting destroyed lol. oh well, gl OP

ur probly right, i think hes gettting a free pass cuz of the difficulty of the prop

umm.. pretty obvious why, most of the people in this thread are losing players/ bbv regs who are idiots that can't comprehend why buying HH's gives you a huge edge.

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no canceling

im really hopin he is top 3 towards the end, but the difficulty of this bet is huge

Yeah getting HHs makes him a lock to win the bet now . Im pretty sure any one who put up the money would have assumed this would happen and still be over the moon laying him 6/1. Can't believe this is even an issue.

Did I say he was anywhere even close to a lock? Please point out where I did. I think he is going to fail, and fail miserably, but there is no doubt that purchasing and using millions of HH's will increase his w/r. By how much and for how long, who knows, but if he is a competent player and completley new to stars then it's not unfathomable to increase by 1-2 ptbb, which obviously improves his chances of winning dramatically. Not too hard to get, unless you're a losing player or bbv moron, like I already said....

same here, i just wanna see this guy have a smash at this bet and win monies whilst trying obv so everyone ends up winning. this shouldnt be an issue imo considering anyone can go and buy them if they want and considering everytihng has been conducted perfectly thus far.

Fack the hh thing, if ur not using them anyway dw about it, get focused and get a sick grind on!!!