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09-16-2009 , 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by ooooooooooh
I have 15K of action on this, which I'm pretty sure is more than anyone else, so I've taken presenting my case into my own hands.
Focusing on a technicality so vehemently in a mammoth volume prop bet sounds like a desperate measure.

It would be fair to say you bet against ballcup not because you didn't think he had the poker skills but because you saw many opportunites to angle shoot one of these other technicalities.

No matter what the wager, that's not balla is it.
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09-16-2009 , 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Stalrock
Jed, I am right here waiting patiently for the judges like you are. You and I talked for an hour on aim Monday night. Please don't attempt to make it sound like I am ignoring you. Thank you.
I'm not trying to make it sound like that at all. Fwiw, I think you've handled this in an upstanding manner (and seem like a good guy in general).

That being said, I would rather this not drag on as it's costing me $! You have the contact information of all the judges and seem to have better connections with them, and given that they are not responding to me I'd appreciate it if you were proactive about getting this going as well.
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09-16-2009 , 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by ooooooooooh
I'm not trying to make it sound like that at all. Fwiw, I think you've handled this in an upstanding manner (and seem like a good guy in general).

That being said, I would rather this not drag on as it's costing me $! You have the contact information of all the judges and seem to have better connections with them, and given that they are not responding to me I'd appreciate it if you were proactive about getting this going as well.
Trust me when I say, I want to speed this up too, since it is wearing on me. I have contacted all of the judges to the best of my ability via all available contact info. I will let you know the second I hear something back, and I know you will do the same.
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09-16-2009 , 05:57 PM
This is ridiculous. Has ooooooooh even stated that he wishes his (and everyones bets) to be paid as he thinks ballcup has failed to oblige by the rules thus he loses the propbet?

Or is the guy trying his best to simply be clever.

OOOOOOOOOH why couldn't you have pointed this out to Ballcup without all the crap?? In other words, why are you ruining such a great prop bet.

You are a miserable waste of life imo.
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09-16-2009 , 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Leroy2DaBeroy
I have no stake in this and haven't really been following this all that closely (until this situation popped up and it got kinda interesting). That said, given the ambiguity of the rule, what about an option to allow either side the right of annulling a portion of their bet (i.e. half)? Ballcup apparently feels he will still make it to SNE so I doubt he would want to reduce his action and if those betting against want to maintain the original bet (with perhaps better language going forward as to what constitutes an "update") they can do so. Those that feel (if a ruling eventually goes against them) that they will have been wronged, could reduce the amount of their bet by some agreed upon x%. (25%?, 50%?).

Just throwing it out there for consideration and of course it would have to be agreed upon by both parties to each bet. It'd probably be better if the judges just took their thumbs out of their asses and made a ruling already.
Negotiating is not the way forward. Someone make a call and put this rat to rest
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09-16-2009 , 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by iPlayer1
This is ridiculous. Has ooooooooh even stated that he wishes his (and everyones bets) to be paid as he thinks ballcup has failed to oblige by the rules thus he loses the propbet?

Or is the guy trying his best to simply be clever.

OOOOOOOOOH why couldn't you have pointed this out to Ballcup without all the crap?? In other words, why are you ruining such a great prop bet.

You are a miserable waste of life imo.
what's ridiculous is that you won't stfu with your insults when the man is making a legitimate case
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09-16-2009 , 06:16 PM
omfg...why did i just read 2 pages of people copy-pasting the same ***** argument over and over...could a mod like get rid of 90% of these cuz there bloody ******ed

Edit: including this one
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09-16-2009 , 06:19 PM
Its ridicolous how no matter how well thought out the rules seem to be, someone always finds a way to angleshoot. This is obviously not something that goes against the spirit of the bet, and it is obviously not extreme misconduct. I am willing to bet my left penis that OOOOOOH didnt really CARE about the update being unworthy or 2 days late, he saw a small chance to angleshoot his way to victory and/or mess with ballcup mentally so it would put him some behind pace. This bet is about wether or not he can get supernova elite or not in a fair manner, which has in no way been violated.
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09-16-2009 , 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by iPlayer1
Negotiating is not the way forward. Someone make a call and put this rat to rest
the way i see it you've been put down once in this thread, have you risen from the dead?
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09-16-2009 , 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by earl
Its ridicolous how no matter how well thought out the rules seem to be, someone always finds a way to angleshoot. This is obviously not something that goes against the spirit of the bet, and it is obviously not extreme misconduct. I am willing to bet my left penis that OOOOOOH didnt really CARE about the update being unworthy or 2 days late, he saw a small chance to angleshoot his way to victory and/or mess with ballcup mentally so it would put him some behind pace. This bet is about wether or not he can get supernova elite or not in a fair manner, which has in no way been violated.
oooooh bet that OP couldn't fulfill all of the stipulations of the bet. when he saw an ambiguity, he questioned it

you must be pretty damn naive to think that every single person betting on this did it purely bc he/she don't think that ballcup is simply incapable of achieving the poker portion of the bet
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09-16-2009 , 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Thats What Happens
oooooh bet that OP couldn't fulfill all of the stipulations of the bet. when he saw an ambiguity, he questioned it

you must be pretty damn naive to think that every single person betting on this did it purely bc he/she don't think that ballcup is simply incapable of achieving the poker portion of the bet
wat? as opposed to what other portion
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09-16-2009 , 07:12 PM
Ballcup is a Cyborg.
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09-16-2009 , 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by DoitsuJin
wat? as opposed to what other portion
as opposed to him not being able to complete all the other **** in the contract (including the clause ooooh is questioning right now) involving webcam/blog updates/etc
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09-16-2009 , 07:53 PM
I have money on this and would like a ruling as well. I dont think its just a minor wording mishap like in hodges case. Obv the bet was to see if he could fullfill all parts of the contract. The issue comed down to whether "this is not an update" is an update or not.

I would like a ruling as well. Sry Ballcup, I rly dont mean to angleshoot I just feel that you breached a part of the contract.
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09-16-2009 , 08:23 PM
Otis Nixon for president


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09-16-2009 , 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by iPlayer1
This is ridiculous. Has ooooooooh even stated that he wishes his (and everyones bets) to be paid as he thinks ballcup has failed to oblige by the rules thus he loses the propbet?

Or is the guy trying his best to simply be clever.

OOOOOOOOOH why couldn't you have pointed this out to Ballcup without all the crap?? In other words, why are you ruining such a great prop bet.

You are a miserable waste of life imo.
stop posting in this thread nothing you say is either clever or right... ohhhh has every right to have the ruling done by the judge for 15 000 reason... but he only needed one.. the rule about update.. and there are ton of way to rule on his favor and now hes waiting on the judges to see if they are with him or not and if they are not a new rule will be formated or the wording on the rule will be re-formated ...
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09-16-2009 , 08:37 PM
ughhhh I think since the wording of the original contract is so vague you have to let ballcup slide on this.
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09-16-2009 , 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by shipontilt
ughhhh I think since the wording of the original contract is so vague you have to let ballcup slide on this.


LOL so lawyers who pick at contract and find flaws would win just by finding a flaw in a word on a contract???? LOLLL learn to make some sense...



and OP do you regret having too much rules like i posted earlier like in the first page
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09-16-2009 , 08:56 PM
These props are hilarious. If you don't want the possibility of losing on a 'technicality' then don't lay out ****ing 18 different rules that you can lose by. Make 1: I will make supernova elite by the end of the year. Of course if you do that you'd probably get almost no action. But if you're going to add 17 other rules to help get action, then don't be shocked when you get called out for violating one.

This isn't even remotely close to angle shooting. He lays out a clear rule, he clearly violates it.

Angle shooting would be like if Stars somehow went down for a month and people cited rule #9 where he says a technological setback is not a reason for the bet to stop, even though that's clearly not the intent of that rule. But when you make a rule saying you'll give updates, and then don't give updates, that's not angle shooting.

If anything he's angle shooting his own bet by trying to claim: "don't care about posting updates" is an update. That said, it's a good one and I really would not want to be in the judges' shoes right now.
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09-16-2009 , 10:07 PM
I understand oooooh's wish to get a ruling in this issue. He has a substantial amount of money on this, of course he should be looking for any, however minor, way of winning his bet. On the other hand, I'm pretty sure this should be chalked up as, at worst, a minor indiscretion. Ballcup made an update. It doesn't matter, based on the contract, how vague/lacking in detail said update was.

It's kinda like saying, when a baby says 'Mama' or 'Dada' or w/e for the first time, just because it didn't say juxtaposition or antidisestablishmentarianism (ty Google Chrome spellcheck ), that means it didn't say it's first word. And yes, I appreciate this is a pretty extreme example lol

This situation is why there are judges in the first place, and I'm pretty sure they will rule in Ball's favour.

Anyway, good luck BallCup
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09-16-2009 , 10:13 PM
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It's kinda like saying, when a baby says 'Mama' or 'Dada' or w/e for the first time, just because it didn't say juxtaposition or antidisestablishmentarianism (ty Google Chrome spellcheck ), that means it didn't say it's first word. And yes, I appreciate this is a pretty extreme example lol
horrible example. doesn't even come close to what the issue is. more like ... crying, groaning, whining, drooling, or random babble means it didn't say it's first word.
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09-16-2009 , 10:18 PM
Lol at Rememo. That is a terrible example, there is no connection between the two.

I think Oooooohhhhh's request is legitimate. But I think I do think that since no initial definition of "update" was established, at worst this is a warning.
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09-16-2009 , 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by FrOST3D

LOL so lawyers who pick at contract and find flaws would win just by finding a flaw in a word on a contract???? LOLLL learn to make some sense...
Is the bolded part even English?

Yep, from the sound of your response it does not sound like you are too intelligent. However, the difference in one or two words can mean a world of difference on how a contract is interpreted.
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09-16-2009 , 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by ooooooooooh
na, I'm a junior at the University of Michigan (took last year off for poker though, so I'm almost 22)
I just about fell off my chair laughing when I realized that this angle-shooter attends U of M. Of course you do, sir. It all makes sense now.
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09-16-2009 , 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by msufan
I just about fell off my chair laughing when I realized that this angle-shooter attends U of M. Of course you do, sir. It all makes sense now.
Its not remotly close to angleshooting, reasons why it is not have been posted at least 10 times.
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