rrayden pmed me and wants out of the bet just because he didn't see rush coming. If anyone really feels like it was an angle feel free to opt out now while I'm behind pace. I thought about saying I was going to do rush but then how bad does it look when my plan is to do rush and then I decide midway through that the normal tables are much softer and play those for 90% of the bet? Then I'd be getting posts about how I was angling for that. I wanted to leave my options open so I said I can play either. But I'm behind pace so if you really want to take back your bet now let me know. If you are better hurry because I'm feeling sick day like +5k today coming .

Note: This is not binding, I reserve the right to change my mind whenever I want including 5 seconds after posting this, you are only guaranteed to be able to take bet back if I specifically respond to you to confirm. I really don't expect people to take it back because it's not like rush is that easy anyway (plus it's rigged ) and it's definitely an uphill road.

I don't blame you for not posting your gameplan, I wouldn't either if I was in your position and there's nothing wrong with doing that.

I suppose the vagueness of winrates here totally through me off in your post, so I recant my accusation. But lets say you made a post that made it sound like you werent going to play a lot of hands, as in playing 200k hands or more isnt your gameplan. Something like

"If I can't win more than 4ptBB/100 im going to lose the bet"

That to me is a total angle to get more action, because playing 300k hands means that isnt the case.

What you did wasn't an angle though.

I'm sorry you shouldnt let people opt out of the bet because they didnt see rush coming, its pretty clearly laid out in your terms that you can play rush poker.

If an issue arises, isn't it normally left up to the judges to make any determinations of fairness?

IMHO, your rules were stated and everyone had ample opportunity to read them. Have your judges make a decision and if there is an "angle" or some sort of misrepresentation involved, void the whole thing and begin anew. If not, then proceed as planned and stated.

Right but I posted 1.5ptbb not 4ptbb...

The main reason I let him opt out was because I'm behind pace and he didn't bet a ton. It's a good thing you don't want to opt out because I was gonna decline that just because I need the bigger bets for motivation. Also I mean anyone who wants to take their bet back now has to be serious about thinking it was an angle. Who takes a bet then when the person is behind pace by 2 days takes it back? It'd be like me betting against the Yankees winning the World Series then taking my bet back when they start the year 2-8 or something. Anyway wasting too much time here gonna go eat then start grinding.

Yes but the reason I'm letting him take back the bet isn't because of the angle part. I'm like 99% the judges would rule with me on this because I specifically told them exactly what I planned to do and the reasoning why I wasn't posting specifics. I sent them the rules before I posted them here to make sure they looked good. But if both parties to a bet decide to void the bet not sure why I'd need to get the judges involved...

I'm not insinuating there was an "angle" involved by Zachvac either in the above post. I just don't think Zachvac should be involved in arbitrating disputes or accusations from the agreed upon bettors. Forward them to your judge panel. If a complaint has merit, fine. If not, play on. Zach is right in the middle of his prop bet and should be concentrating on it.

The flip side is, Zach complaining his normal time to play was filled with handling unhappy bettors so he fell $25 short of his goal and lost! Which I highly doubt he'd do to begin with.

I said I am not accusing him of any angles also, just that I don't like to bet on Rush ****ing Pokers It's a gray area for me, I am not in the mood for gambooling on things I am clueless about. If he didn't want to cancel I would have understand it np, and maybe I would have tried to sell my bet to someone else here. So I might be foolish now to sell it while he is behind, but I don't care, it's a bet I don't like to follow anymore.

So both parties agreed to cancel the bet, no need for judges here, we are dealing it with the escrow only.

I agree that the way OP handled this pre-bet was fine. I figured the only way he would be able to make this bet was by playing rush tables at least most of the time. I still bet because those games are pretty wild and seem to tilt even some of the best players. This is exactly why I bet, not the other way around.

And judging from his post yesterday, he did say that he was tilting for awhile. So at least I might have a chance

lol been set mined in 3-bet pots twice already but it's hard to feel anything but confident when this is the norm even on a Monday morning:

Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players - View hand 511335
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

MP2: $109.50
CO: $114.55
BTN: $109.75
Hero (SB): $108.05
BB: $118.30
UTG: $114.95
UTG+1: $180.65
UTG+2: $40.00
MP1: $40.35

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is SB with K A
UTG calls $1, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls $1, 4 folds, Hero raises to $10, BB calls $9, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls $9

Flop: ($31.00) 8 K 3 (3 players)
Hero bets $27, BB folds, UTG+2 raises to $30 all in, Hero calls $3

Turn: ($91.00) 3 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($91.00) 5 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $91.00
Hero shows K A (two pair, Kings and Threes)
UTG+2 shows 7 8 (two pair, Eights and Threes)
Hero wins $88.00
(Rake: $3.00)

+200ish 1k hands in today, telling you it's gonna be +5k day

lol awesome:

Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players - View hand 511455
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

UTG+1: $79.55
UTG+2: $234.50
MP1: $164.80
MP2: $223.70
CO: $92.75
BTN: $106.50
Hero (SB): $102.20
BB: $199.35
UTG: $88.15

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is SB with A K
3 folds, MP1 calls $1, 3 folds, Hero raises to $7, 1 fold, MP1 calls $6

Flop: ($15.00) 5 K 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $8, MP1 raises to $16, Hero calls $8

Turn: ($47.00) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks

River: ($47.00) 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $18, MP1 calls $18

Final Pot: $83.00
MP1 mucks 5 4
Hero shows A K (a pair of Kings)
Hero wins $80.00
(Rake: $3.00)

^______________^ gogogo

wow i'm ****ed

go go go OP!

lol @ zach pulling some kind of angle. gl vaccuum

im pretty sure zach sitting behind me when i played 50k hands in 20 hours inspired him to do this bet!!! hope he ships the monies

Allowing ppl to opt is not a good idea btw. Everything was laid out in the OP, it is there fault for not thinking it through.

+1 Right there with taking your ball and going back home.

If both sides want out of the bet, its fine. Its their decision and it will not affect you in any way.

w/e... Why not simply allow each party to determine their own agreements after the fact and do away with the original inception of the prop bet? Just the fact one enters into an agreement/wager, ships the money and later decides he isn't "getting the best of it" violates the sanctity of an agreed upon wager. You're correct, it doesn't affect the rest of us. It affects the "Spirit" of the wager and the fact OP DID state terms which included he may play Rush.

I believe the dissent ITT has more to do with the fact the rest of us would "Honor" our placed wagers -- to keep respect among our peers -- and for future action. Especially since the OP was upfront with terms and wasn't involved in some sort of angle shooting. But w/e, you are technically correct in your assumptions.

He requested via pm to get out of it. Nowhere did he ever imply that I had to or that he would have any problem if I didn't (in fact he specifically said he'd understand if I didn't want to). He just requested if it was ok with me to withdraw his bet. I said yes that is fine with me.

+1

Wait what? What are buy-outs then? Obviously the rules are there but if both sides of a bet agree to void part or all of the agreement that's up to us. I just don't get the part where people act like I'm doing him a huge favor. If you thought it was +ev to bet against me at the beginning of the bet why wouldn't you think it was a +ev bet after 3 days and I'm only +500?

That said I'm another +500ish this morning after 3k hands getting ready for 2nd session of the day.

lol I could post like 50 of these:

Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players - View hand 511615
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

SB: $59.50
BB: $93.00
UTG: $82.10
Hero (UTG+1): $100.00
UTG+2: $328.80
MP1: $115.95
MP2: $57.95
CO: $102.10
BTN: $98.70

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is UTG+1 with A K
1 fold, Hero raises to $3, 2 folds, MP2 raises to $10.50, 4 folds, Hero raises to $100 all in, MP2 calls $47.45 all in

Flop: ($117.40) A K 9

Turn: ($117.40) 5

River: ($117.40) J

Final Pot: $117.40
Hero shows A K (two pair, Aces and Kings)
MP2 shows A 4 (a pair of Aces)
Hero wins $114.40
(Rake: $3.00)

if you didnt' want the bet to include rush poker maybe you should have read the rules closer before betting money on it. it's not like he's trying to hide the fact that he'll play rush in any way whatsoever.

Stop posting. You need to be playing poker. Take a 10 min bathroom and water break every 2 hours, but thats it. Do not check your email. Do not check 2+2, only post graphs at the end of the day. I will have phone sex with you if you are bored, but seriously, stop wasting time.

Pee Bottle FTW

Yeah seriously, you may like to have an extra hour or two near the end of the 31 days, unless you +EV yourself to 15k earlier. Waste no time.

Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players - View hand 511659
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

MP2: $88.95
CO: $113.60
BTN: $62.50
SB: $49.05
BB: $188.20
Hero (UTG): $131.80
UTG+1: $278.75
UTG+2: $116.25
MP1: $170.75

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is UTG with J J
Hero raises to $3, 5 folds, BTN calls $3, 1 fold, BB calls $2

Flop: ($9.50) J 5 T (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $7, BTN calls $7, BB folds

Turn: ($23.50) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: ($23.50) 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

Final Pot: $23.50
BTN shows 8 K (a flush, King high)
Hero shows J J (three of a kind, Jacks)
BTN wins $22.35
(Rake: $1.15)