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07-16-2009 , 01:32 PM
give him is $250 back. and tell him he is lucky you didn't punch him in the throat for not paying earlier.

you were kind enough to accept the "buy out". He should be kind enough to take his money back and shut up.

Word of advice. your friend sucks, dont bet with people who wont pay (the full amount) when they lose and want full amount when the win.
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07-16-2009 , 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by dlorc
If he bought out of the bet for $250 you dont owe him ****,
if he was just bitching about owing you $500 and you accepted $250 as a best offer, then you owe him his money back +250.

This

if you guys used the words "buy out" EXPRESSLY
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07-16-2009 , 01:35 PM
Buying out of a bet = I am paying so that this bet is no longer binding imo.
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07-16-2009 , 01:35 PM
He bought out of the bet for $250. If I were him I wouldn't ask for money any $$ at this point because the bet is officially over when someone buys out of it. You can be a nice guy and give him his $250 back because he screwed himself b/c by the bartender's misjudgment by then buying out of the bet, but then again he wanted to buy out so it boils down to being his fault. Technically you owe him $0.00, but it would be reasonable to give him his money back, if you don't it just makes you look like a douchebag b/c although he did make an error by buying out even though it was b/c of some1 providing him false information.
-If it were me, I would not give him 1 penny b/c I know that when I buy out of a bet its over for good and I wouldn't dare ask for money from that point on. Just out of curiosity too I would ask if the daughter confirmed it was the mom, would he ship you $250 more? That is irrelevant though.
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07-16-2009 , 01:35 PM
All deals made at final table are final
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07-16-2009 , 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by illman05

Just out of curiosity too I would ask if the daughter confirmed it was the mom, would he ship you $250 more? That is irrelevant though.

negative. when he gave me the $250 last night I was under the impression the bet was over everything was done with. He was not going to give me any $$ and I surely wasn't going to give him any money.
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07-16-2009 , 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by shipontilt
Yeah I mean the more I think about it I obviously lost the prop bet, and if the bet was treated differently with him paying me immediately, with no problems or hitches at all none of this would be an issue. but I kind of just want to keep his $250 out of principle for him being a doushebag because he initially welched on the bet then did not want to pay up until every1 pressured him into, did not give me the full $500. and whether it was a buyout/ settling for less cause he said these exact words "i'll buy out of it for $250" so i was like okay no problem.

but technically its not a buyout since we thought we knew the results.
he bought out of it, the bet is over, you get to keep the $250 anyone who says otherwise is wrong

Now if the guy wasnt a piece of **** ******* I prolly wouldnt stick him with that rule since like you said, it wasnt "really" a buyout since he was basically just trying to be a welshing *******. But its his own damn fault, cuz if he had paid you the $500 like he should have then none of that would have happened and he would with this new information be the winner of the bet and youd have to give him his money back plus $500.

Basically, its karma and **** his piece of **** no good freerolling mother ****ing ass.


If he hadnt said the buyout words, technically youd owe him $750 (his 250, plus 500), and id pay it cuz im a man of my word, but id ****ing kick his ass the second I haded him the money for being a scumbag.

the same 2 lessons always come from these threeads

1) never gamble with non gamblers
2) get better friends
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07-16-2009 , 01:45 PM
"offers me a $250 buy out of the bet or whatever just to settle it I happily agree."

wat?
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07-16-2009 , 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by kikadell
"offers me a $250 buy out of the bet or whatever just to settle it I happily agree."

wat?


yeah it was really confusing cause at the time it really technically wasn't a buyout BUT the words buyout were being thrown around by the two of us. i think i like Alobars post the best imo.
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07-16-2009 , 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Alobar
he bought out of it, the bet is over, you get to keep the $250 anyone who says otherwise is wrong

Now if the guy wasnt a piece of **** ******* I prolly wouldnt stick him with that rule since like you said, it wasnt "really" a buyout since he was basically just trying to be a welshing *******. But its his own damn fault, cuz if he had paid you the $500 like he should have then none of that would have happened and he would with this new information be the winner of the bet and youd have to give him his money back plus $500.

Basically, its karma and **** his piece of **** no good freerolling mother ****ing ass.


If he hadnt said the buyout words, technically youd owe him $750 (his 250, plus 500), and id pay it cuz im a man of my word, but id ****ing kick his ass the second I haded him the money for being a scumbag.

the same 2 lessons always come from these threeads

1) never gamble with non gamblers
2) get better friends
I love this post <3
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07-16-2009 , 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Alobar

the same 2 lessons always come from these threeads

1) never gamble with non gamblers
2) get better friends



1) is definitely true, and I will prob never make a bet with a non gambler again

2) he is not a "friend" we went to the same middle school but i went to catholic high school and we lost touch, but we share a lot of the same friends so he often is there when I go out. He's not the type of friend I would call up on a friday night to hang out. If he was that close i'd give him $250 back and call the bet even.
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07-16-2009 , 02:00 PM
Don't give him anything, he bought out of the bet. Besides he said there was no way he was going to give you 500 so f him
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07-16-2009 , 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Ontario_Tory
You owe him $500 - the $250 he gave you (in error) plus $250 for the actual bet.

It's not like it's a "can I eat 24 eggs" bet that ends at a certain time. It's a very specific question - is she XXX's mom?". That answer doesn't change - it's either yes or no.

That you were lied to initially is irrelevant. You bet that she was XXX's mom, she was not, so you lose the bet.

You only owe him $250 for the actual bet because he was a bitch and cried to reduce the amount, and you agreed.

just my $0.02...

OT
100% agree/nailed it
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07-16-2009 , 02:08 PM
If he "bought out of the bet" for $250 then the bet is over. He can't come back with new information and get back into the bet.
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07-16-2009 , 02:15 PM
If he wasn't demanding you give him $500 on top, it would be honorable to give him back the $250 and then never make a bet with him.

You don't want a friend that will demand you do something he refused to, that he bet he would do. He will dick you over again sometime down the road. Take the money and run.
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07-16-2009 , 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Imbrokeson
Don't give him anything, he bought out of the bet. Besides he said there was no way he was going to give you 500 so f him
this

When you buy out of a bet, the reason you get a discount is because you accept it as a loss before the result is official. **** that guy.
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07-16-2009 , 02:32 PM
grunching: at the absolute most give him 250$, probably shouldnt even give him that.

btw, he sounds like a dbag. dont hang out with him again ldo
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07-16-2009 , 02:33 PM
steph is liar so she doesnt get embarrassed. that IS her mom.
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07-16-2009 , 02:43 PM
If he bought out of the bet its over and the 250 is yours regardless of the identity of the woman. He gave up his equity.
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07-16-2009 , 02:45 PM
But did he pay you in fitties?
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07-16-2009 , 02:48 PM
oh and i'm sorry i really need to learn how to speak, and to read comprehensively - he wants me to give him his $250 back plus $500 for the bet. thats absolutely absurd right?


i told him he'd be lucky if i just gave him his original $250 back and i'd need a day or two to think about it.
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07-16-2009 , 02:49 PM
if friend used the term "buy out" then the $250 is yours aniec.

If you just said that here to get people on your side, then you're a douche
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07-16-2009 , 02:54 PM
Alobar is right, not even close. Betting with non-poker players pretty much always ends in disaster, I've learned my lesson several times.
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07-16-2009 , 02:55 PM
Are you sure your friends name is Ryan, and not Brett?
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07-16-2009 , 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by 4ObliVioN4
Alobar is right, not even close. Betting with non-poker players pretty much always ends in disaster, I've learned my lesson several times.
How can you learn your lesson several times? Perhaps you didn't learn your lesson until the last time.
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