This is such gibberish, we have really tried to explain it to you man...
Good luck on your endeavors

I know but I'll poast whenever the **** I please. Craggoo for cull.

bro have you ever taken a stats course? its very basic math.

Getting your money in w/ KK against Ax is always smart. With anhy two unpaired cards you have about a 1 in three chance of hitting a pair on the flop, so even less of a chance of hitting that ace you need to beat the kings. And thats not taking into account the possibility of me hitting another king.

As quoted by clevername earlier: You want to get it in when you are ahead. So why (other than to vary play and adjust to opponents) would you be scared of Ax when you have KK and are ahead. what your saying is contradicting this basic principle.

Just because i said infinite amount of times doesnt mean you need an infinite amount of hands to see the results of the statistics. even if you flip a coin two or one hundred times you will typically get close to 50/50 on tails and heads. So if I am a 70% or even 60% favorite preflop w/ KK and I know im being called then you dont play careful just incase you might lose. That is playing scared and losing poker.

^This. KK is a deceiving hand. It looks pretty and it's supposedly the 2nd nut hold'em hand. But how hard is it to beat KK really? All it takes is 1 ace to hit on the board. 82.350% of the time an ace peels on the flop. So you are losing with KK more than you are winning.

It is better to play it slow and min raise pre so you risk less money to lose. A major leak in most people's games is that they payoff with KK after the ace hits. No one ever bluffs an ace on the board against a preflop raiser. So you are just payoff wizarding at this point.

Another reason to min-raise is for deception. No one expects you to min-raise KK. So they will instantly put you on AA. Which is a much better hand and you can get them to fold their ace rags. Which are a big favorite to suckout on KK. And when they 3-bet your min-raise you should fold because you are repping aces and if he reraises then he must have aces. It's the only reason someone could rep the hand you are representing.

Lol!! Bro do you even poker?

Ace is higher than a king... What you are saying is complete bull****

My standard play for playing KK is limping preflop and openfolding on a board with an ace or a pair (Q66r), im sure this will be aproved by clevername when looked at the hand in a vacuum

Just cant risk them having a 6 and losing so much money

Lol talking about random stuff on forums doesnt make you good. Its all psychology and mostly probability and stats. What im saying is actually as basic as it can ever get they teach this math in grade 10 or something.. Have fun calling down with ace high and losing!

I would min raise with KK for deception based on my table image etc. Like to know where u are getting that an ace comes down on the flop 82 percent of the time... there are four aces in the deck of 52 cards. assuming another person at the table has one of them (our Ax holder) there are only three left in a deck of 40 cards.

There is roughly a 20 percent chance of an ace hitting the flop.

You are forgetting that everyone not in the pot is likely to not hold an ace, if you really wanna be exact in a 9 handed ring game heads up vs a villain with Ax the chance of an ace peeling on the flop is 82,35683333333333333% (infinite 3s)

so you always call big bets from early position with A2- A8? are you totally dumb or just a bingo player? That is why you raise so much to make people fold. If you min raise then you allow these goofs with crap aces to call nd see a flop. So if you raise big then it is totally possible that one of those folds is holding an ace. 82% haha......

Here i am not making this simple enough for yas. here is a website that explain the basic strat for you:

http://www.thepokerbank.com/strategy...pockets/kings/

Even assuming all other hands held no aces at a 9 handed table since you are so sure about that:

3 aces in the deck (one in the villains hand)
Probability of ace = 1- Probability of no ace = 1-(31/34*(30/33)*(29/32)= 1- 0.7514
Probability of an ace on the flop = 0.2486 = 24.86% or 25% AT BEST

Whatever math you were dojng to get to 82% needs to be re-evaluated. I suggest your nearest math help center.

You are forgetting the implied odds that KK is an ace magnet and the true % chance of an ace coming on the flop while holding KK is roughly 82%.

Read this:

Even assuming all other hands held no aces at a 9 handed table since you are so sure about that:

3 aces in the deck (one in the villains hand)
Probability of ace = 1- Probability of no ace = 1-(31/34*(30/33)*(29/32)= 1- 0.7514
Probability of an ace on the flop = 0.2486 = 24.86% or 25% AT BEST

Whatever math you were dojng to get to 82% needs to be re-evaluated. I suggest your nearest math help center.

No need to double post. This has nothing to do with meth. I do not need to go to a meth help center. It has to do with the fact that when you get dealt kangs there is an increased chance an ace will hit the flop.

Zippymoose, i suggest you stop wasting everybodies time since your math is so off.
Just look at the facts:

http://youtu.be/z5jA9yBM6pg

Based on the math. No you are incorrect. Are you joking or do you actually think that they are literally an ace magnet? You realize this is just a saying/ joke an not a true fact. holding a kind a few inches above an ace will not make it float up in the air...

So basic man. High school.

Im not your man, buddy

Stop watching dumb youtube videos for strat and maybe give this a read haha:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probability

Then again you probably prefer this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bingo

You are really quoting wikipedia? No wonder you are such a math-noob.

This is a forum where pokerplayers can improve and gain insights in the way the game should be played (in a vaccuum)

You are just too stubborn to understand that you will lose ****loads of lollars playing KK the way you do

You : "You are forgetting that everyone not in the pot is likely to not hold an ace, if you really wanna be exact in a 9 handed ring game heads up vs a villain with Ax the chance of an ace peeling on the flop is 82,35683333333333333% (infinite 3s) "

Me: "Even assuming all other hands held no aces at a 9 handed table since you are so sure about that:

3 aces in the deck (one in the villains hand)
Probability of ace = 1- Probability of no ace = 1-(31/34*(30/33)*(29/32)= 1- 0.7514
Probability of an ace on the flop = 0.2486 = 24.86% or 25% AT BEST

Whatever math you were dojng to get to 82% needs to be re-evaluated. I suggest your nearest math help center. "

You are incorrect. That is all, have a good day. And I'm giving you the wikipedia cuz it is the easiest start for someone who knows nothig of math. I have an engineering degree and this math is very basic.

Do you know what " in a vacuum" means? I'm not sure you do.

It means all other aspect taken out. With all other aspects taken out you have to play by the math. KK vs. Ax is a 71 percent favorite. if you are getting called you want to get it in with a 71 percent chance of doubling up.

The only time you change this is outside of a vacuum (in the real world with all kinds of different factors involved: table image, opponents table image, position, stack size, size of the table etc.) Where someeetimes you might min raise to be deceptive. Making it your go to move is againt the math and not decpetive because it will be obvious what you are doing after a while.

Actually this is wrong. Either an ace hits the flop or it doesn't. There are 2 possible outcomes. It is 50/50 whether an ace will come.

Math is idiotic.

FYP

Just wanted to point out that this website is outdated. The strat there would have worked in 2006-2007 but it will not work in 2014.