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12-03-2014 , 12:07 AM
This has lasted a year now, I cannot win a session and i am depositing non stop. Did I get the doom switch? I have been a winning player since 2005 and now I cannot bink a single session, for literally a year. A monkey clicking buttons should have a higher win rate than my 2014. I need out of this slump before the 1m guarantee on acr. I also need a new name for my new account, I just need a fresh start. I'm thinking Truepoker or Blackchip but I dont know if there is even a difference in the two.
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12-03-2014 , 06:12 AM
games got tougher. if you need that money IRL stop depositing or move down stakes
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12-03-2014 , 07:42 AM
Move up to where they respect your downswing
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12-03-2014 , 08:14 AM
Buy a monkey imo
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12-03-2014 , 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by iDab
I have been a winning player since 2005 and now I cannot bink a single session, for literally a year.
I lolled. Keep lying to yourself. That attitude is what keeps poker alive.
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12-03-2014 , 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Clevername69
I lolled. Keep lying to yourself. That attitude is what keeps poker alive.
Hey I am willing to accept the truth. Lets just be constructive here. Don't just use my thread to make yourself look or feel good.
I absolutly crushed for years. On bodog I won 100k in a year and on intertops I won even more. On paradise Poker I would final table that $33 50k multiple time per week. I rarely deposited, and when I did it was like 25 bucks.
So are you suggesting by your comments that I merely ran well for multiple years and now I am running normal? What do you mean by keep lying to myself? Because I definitely have been a winning player until I moved into this new house and now EVERY SINGLE SESSION ends with me banging my head on the keyboard.
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12-03-2014 , 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by vrael111
Move up to where they respect your downswing
I appreciate your comment. This may have some warrant considering I have moved down from $20-$200 buyins to $1-$20 buyins (mostly $5).
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12-03-2014 , 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by iDab
Hey I am willing to accept the truth. Lets just be constructive here. Don't just use my thread to make yourself look or feel good.
I absolutly crushed for years. On bodog I won 100k in a year and on intertops I won even more. On paradise Poker I would final table that $33 50k multiple time per week. I rarely deposited, and when I did it was like 25 bucks.
So are you suggesting by your comments that I merely ran well for multiple years and now I am running normal? What do you mean by keep lying to myself? Because I definitely have been a winning player until I moved into this new house and now EVERY SINGLE SESSION ends with me banging my head on the keyboard.
So you kept depositing? Doesnt that suggest that you would eventually lose the winnings you made
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12-03-2014 , 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by immortalpinguin
Buy a monkey imo

<3 THIS! lol
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12-03-2014 , 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by immortalpinguin
So you kept depositing? Doesnt that suggest that you would eventually lose the winnings you made


I suppose so but that is irrelevant imo. Shouldnt I continue to play if I feel I am playing well?
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12-03-2014 , 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by iDab
I suppose so but that is irrelevant imo. Shouldnt I continue to play if I feel I am playing well?
Maybe my first real advice in BBV:

No, stop playing. Look back on poker and how it affected your life. You are obviously a part of the 93% losing players and not likely to become part of the 7% (since you weren't a longtime winner when poker was still a big joke)

If you like losing money and are willing to pay that to enjoy the thrills of gambling, by al means keep playing.
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12-03-2014 , 11:30 AM
Thanks for that advice
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12-03-2014 , 11:30 AM
Read this:

Poker is a seductive game. Its success as a gambling game over many decades arises from its power to draw in the weak, believing too easily that they can master it and profit from it. Interviews by big winners are part of the enhanced seduction built around the modern game by those who profit from it (operators, media) and I can understand your rationale for not wanting to be part of that.
There are very few long term (consistent) winners from poker. There is one outstanding winner: Pokerstars, which rakes >$1bn per year and profits >$1m a day. There are other businesses which make money like media, training sites, affiliates, smaller poker sites, casinos etc. But very few players are long term consistent winners and most of those are either (or both) of:
(a) very clever people who could deploy their brains/energies/talents in other fields to earn more money and/or contribute more to the world; or
(b) those able and willing to seek out and prey on the weak.
As you say, even the winners often live a stressful life. For all but the strongest individuals, a poker lifestyle is likely to change their character for the worse.
Against the few winners is the troubling dark underbelly of degenerate, gambling-addicted, life-wasting players who beg, cheat and steal to feed their habit, living a lifestyle destructive to themselves as well as those around them. (Borovetz is only the most recent example to fall under the 2+2 spotlight).
So, yeah, I completely understand if you don't want to help glamorise the game for the benefit of a few, mostly corporate, winners at the expense of attracting more degenerates.
I take a more positive view of poker overall as it does bring benefits to many casual players by adding to their lives entertainment, challenge, socialisation, distraction, excitement etc. but understand and respect your pov and approach.
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12-03-2014 , 11:36 AM
but what about the fact that even the most losingest player in the world SHOULD be binking sessions from time to time.

Also, what could this mean to you ...I win often on seals at all levels, I play high there and I cannot win even a penny game on merge?
I am not suggesting anything I am simply asking your thoughts on that.
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12-03-2014 , 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by iDab
but what about the fact that even the most losingest player in the world SHOULD be binking sessions from time to time.

Also, what could this mean to you ...I win often on seals at all levels, I play high there and I cannot win even a penny game on merge?
I am not suggesting anything I am simply asking your thoughts on that.
This is what drives losing players like yourself to keep playing the game.
Based on numbers for you this is basicly how an MTT is for you:

Are you willing to pay a fee (the % you lose on average) to maybe book a big score. It is nothing less of a lottery for a non winning player.

So from a purely moneybased standpoint you are being irrational playing poker, however, when the idea of binking a tourney maybe and the fun you get out of the game exceeds the dislike of losing money longterm, you should continue playing.
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12-03-2014 , 11:42 AM
That was interesting read. I am in no means a degen, I have thousands of dollars and I still only deposit 25 bucks at a time and not even daily. I have been flirting with the dea of a larger deposit and brm. I do not practice brm I simply deposit 25 bucks and play (5) 5 dollar games and go to sleep a loser.
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12-03-2014 , 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by immortalpinguin
This is what drives losing players like yourself to keep playing the game.
Based on numbers for you this is basicly how an MTT is for you:

Are you willing to pay a fee (the % you lose on average) to maybe book a big score. It is nothing less of a lottery for a non winning player.

So from a purely moneybased standpoint you are being irrational playing poker, however, when the idea of binking a tourney maybe and the fun you get out of the game exceeds the dislike of losing money longterm, you should continue playing.
This seems rational, thank you.
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12-03-2014 , 11:44 AM
I am glad I made this thread now, thanks for interacting with me, pinguin.
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12-03-2014 , 11:48 AM
You are welcome, hope you make the best decision

My advice is to buy a monkey and let him do the button clicking
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12-03-2014 , 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by immortalpinguin
Read this:

Poker is a seductive game. Its success as a gambling game over many decades arises from its power to draw in the weak, believing too easily that they can master it and profit from it. Interviews by big winners are part of the enhanced seduction built around the modern game by those who profit from it (operators, media) and I can understand your rationale for not wanting to be part of that.
There are very few long term (consistent) winners from poker. There is one outstanding winner: Pokerstars, which rakes >$1bn per year and profits >$1m a day. There are other businesses which make money like media, training sites, affiliates, smaller poker sites, casinos etc. But very few players are long term consistent winners and most of those are either (or both) of:
(a) very clever people who could deploy their brains/energies/talents in other fields to earn more money and/or contribute more to the world; or
(b) those able and willing to seek out and prey on the weak.
As you say, even the winners often live a stressful life. For all but the strongest individuals, a poker lifestyle is likely to change their character for the worse.
Against the few winners is the troubling dark underbelly of degenerate, gambling-addicted, life-wasting players who beg, cheat and steal to feed their habit, living a lifestyle destructive to themselves as well as those around them. (Borovetz is only the most recent example to fall under the 2+2 spotlight).
So, yeah, I completely understand if you don't want to help glamorise the game for the benefit of a few, mostly corporate, winners at the expense of attracting more degenerates.
I take a more positive view of poker overall as it does bring benefits to many casual players by adding to their lives entertainment, challenge, socialisation, distraction, excitement etc. but understand and respect your pov and approach.
Too many words. It hurts.
Your first advice made sense though.

Op, don't give up. I mean, if you were a winning player in 2005, then I see absolutely no reason why you'd be a losing player in 2014. Like, no reason at all. You are obviously an unlucky winning player. 2014 poker is the same as 2005. It's not like 1knl would be 10nl now.
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12-03-2014 , 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Babarberousse
Too many words. It hurts.
Your first advice made sense though.

Op, don't give up. I mean, if you were a winning player in 2005, then I see absolutely no reason why you'd be a losing player in 2014. Like, no reason at all. You are obviously an unlucky winning player. 2014 poker is the same as 2005. It's not like 1knl would be 10nl now.
Thank you. Just to be clear though, I have won good money every year since 2005 until this year.
Honestly, I was jobless and homeless when I discovered poker online and it changed my life. Poker paid all my court fees and got me on the road again, I mean without poker I would be a waiter somewhere still trying to get my license back, that cost me almost 15k just to drive again. Also, I started in 05, broke, on freerolls and built multiple bankrolls from zero dollars.
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12-03-2014 , 12:18 PM
OP, you said that you haven't had a winning session for a year. Even in the worst of downswings a winning player will not lose every session for a year. Assuming he plays a reasonable amount. Maybe you used to be good at poker. It just sounds like you are addicted and you say that you play great. A lot of losing players say they are good at poker and that they always play flawlessly. And then they get stuck and spew away their money.
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12-03-2014 , 12:54 PM
Stop playing for a month, then come back and re-evaluate. You might not even want to come back.
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12-03-2014 , 12:55 PM
im guessing you mostly autopilot the nlh games, because thats how it always worked 4 u. U should probably step away for a while reevaluate ur game..maybe try different forms of poker or stt instead of mtt`s. I play the same games as u (lowstake mtt`s) im no pro or even depending on the money as i have a job but the fields in mtt`s still consist of huge donks and fish who really are easy exploitable...so obviously ur doing something wrong there

ps ur running better in bbv than poker to get real responses instead of the usual burns in bbv..what r the odds?

gl
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12-03-2014 , 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by StoopidMonki
im guessing you mostly autopilot the nlh games, because thats how it always worked 4 u. U should probably step away for a while reevaluate ur game..maybe try different forms of poker or stt instead of mtt`s. I play the same games as u (lowstake mtt`s) im no pro or even depending on the money as i have a job but the fields in mtt`s still consist of huge donks and fish who really are easy exploitable...so obviously ur doing something wrong there

ps ur running better in bbv than poker to get real responses instead of the usual burns in bbv..what r the odds?

gl
haha its nice to run good somewhere! But actually all of this downswing began about the same time I started playing plo cash games. I play a lot of the plo cash around .25/.50 and then mtt sattys basically. I have no interest in micro or small stake mtts so I only play mtts I satty into or sometimes $22 or $33 mtts.
I also make money off the tables so not depending on this money I am just VERY frustrated not being able to win.


Does anyone know any worthy training videos on youtube? Does that even exist in the form of free media?
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