lol I'm sure there's one out there but it's a pretty simple concept. Tougher to find spots in-game and realize it, but let me break it down nice and easy.

When to bluff: Let's just assume pot sized bluff so it has to work 50% of the time. You bluff when you think 50% of the range that beats you will fold. So for example you called 2 streets with bottom pair and no longer think it's good. You think they will be vbetting a lot of TP and strong 2nd pair-type hands. We think he will fold all those hands to a raise (which will comprise >50% of the range that beats us) so it's a profitable bluff. However with all his strong TP, 2p hands, and even possibly bottom set we think he will call our raise. We've already shown that the bluff itself is profitable. Then we think he will value 3b river with 2 sets (so 6 combos). If his river raise is pot sized again we have to be good 1/3 of the time. So as long as he has at least 2 combos of bluffs and as long as we beat all his bluffs, it is a spot to bet/call the river even though we're hoping our initial bet is not called. idk why I took the time to explain strat to you when you're just being a dick and it's bbv but w/e.

I don't have any muscles I'm a weak skinny nerd who wants to donate his money to you lemme know when you wanna play.

edit: god I hate prop bets I love betting on them but then updates get posted in bbv and I always accidentally see threads like this and decide to waste my time reading/commenting on them. At least prop bets don't get posted in the TV poker section lol.

I'm not the dick. I think you are caz you started the whole thing.

But explain to me why do you bluff-bet if you plan to call anyway. Why not check-call instead. The argument could be made for the top pair or 2 pair to flat your river bet anyway - if they are good 33% of the time they break even and they will be. Now honestly how many players, or better say how often you think this situation of bluff-bet/call works to be profitable? Once in a lifetime? Twice?

From what I know, from what I played and what I've read I know that you check-call to catch a bluff or bluff to make a marginal hand fold like top pair, weak kicker. If you suspect your opp has a monster why even bother to bluff in the first place?

And one more thing. You said that you're sure that you'll see some strategy stuff preaching this then please give me at least one link.

PS. One of the most famous bluff-catchers of all time was the one of Doyle Brunson against Johnny Moss when he called Johnny's big bet holding JT on K 7 8 2 3 board putting him on a busted straight draw - and he was right caz Moss held T9, and still there was another player, a weak one, involved in the hand and Doyle put him on a weak K that cannot overcall and he was right again. Now you think Doyle should have raised here because with your theory Johnny Moss can re-pop again with a bluff so Doyle can win more money.

ah damnit, I thought he just called a mod a fakin donk ...

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Because you can't check/call in position moran.

The rest has been explained.

dude you didn't read any of my post the bluff itself is profitable AS A BLUFF. If you ch/c you don't make him fold his weak made hands that he's valuebetting but can't stand a raise. The Doyle hand he's bluff-CATCHING not bluffing. But basically there are spots where:

raise/call > raise/fold > ch/fold > ch/call. And you're saying that since we can raise/call we should be able to ch/call instead.

Anyway I'm done guess that's what I get for trying to post strat in bbv.

Thank you OP, I am applying this strategy to my game and I will see you in the nose bleeds soon!

You are a donkey and a ******!

How come we're in position? Learn poker rules or learn to read idiot.

bet/call and check/call ar both actions made out of position !!!

And in the hand presented here the OP was oop for the entire hand, donk !!!

how about posting one where you hero call and lose to trips

i just learned NMHU

...that works only against really bad players.

....you need to bumhunt or to play 10NL.

Agree.

This is never true against good opponents who bluff with the top of their folding range which almost always beats our bottom pair. I cannot see any thinking player bluffing with a hand worse than a hand he would fold.

not good

wow man just stfu for real

lol good read

keep making fake hh douchebag

Fake hh and huge ammount of strat. WTF?