If you have a lot of experience playing live you will quickly realize that FTP and Pokerstars do not have random deals. There is no doubt that the better players will win a lot of money if they put in enough time, but there is no way that the outcome of the cards is random on either of these sites.

If you are an excellent player, they are cheating you for about half the money that you should be winning.

Of course many fools will rush in and flame this post because they are so certain that the sites are legit. Just like UB was legit. Just like Absolute was legit. Open up your eyes and realize that just because you win a lot of money does not mean that you are not being cheated out of a portion of your expectancy against the other players. I’m not sure why so many people rush to discredit anyone who posts about non-random dealing. No one oversees and enforces any sort of legitimacy on these sites. They make much more money if they shift some of the winnings back to the lesser players. It is a piece of cake to code this into the software.

The question is whether you want to put up with the punishment of constantly being cheated out of a portion of your winnings. And for most winning players, the answer is that they will put up with it because even winning a portion of what you should win pays better and allows a better lifestyle than most of the alternatives.

Get a clue and fight back against being violated instead of constantly trying to beat down anyone who brings up the possibility that you are not getting a fair shake.

1-800-PARANOIA

A) ur an idiot
B) Even if we were being cheated out of "potential profit", who gives a crap, these players make more thene nough as it is
C) ur an idiot
D) poker is rogged

Why make it that obvious it is a gimmick account?

a lot of experience playing live? whats that...20-30 years to get a nice sample size lol.

ban

go ask harrhas if they make enough money off of ya. im sure they do.

i doubt the extra money stars or tilt would make by cheating is worth the risk. im sure there glad with the money htey already have.

now take ur meds and shutup.

dude the last time i played live i flopped 3 sets and a flush and turned quads in an hour and a half.

rigged imo

OP this is my stats from the last 50k hands - top 11 hands

so what does this have to do with thread title....

It shows that the deals are random, if they werent the graph would be a lot more extreme. for instance, AA 120, KK 460, QQ 18, AKs, 950

Wrong.

Just to play the devil's advocate here, but if what you say is true then it is not necessarily a bad thing. If stars and ftp deals are coded in a way to give some of the money back to the lesser players in order to keep them playing then the winning players should be happy. For it is these lesser players that winning players make most of their money off of and if they left (which most inevitably would when they realized they completely suck) the well of money would dry up.

Just something to think about.

Logic - Just something to think about.

Oh please.

How do they figure out the good players from the bad?

so the worse you run the better you play?

Ughh, I suppose we can expect many, many more ******s, particularly "lots of experience playing live at 30 hands per hour maximum" ******s to come out of the woodwork after this 60 minutes segment gets shown with this delusional "Omg I knew it! I'm not a **** player! It's rigged!" crap.

You're a ****ing moron.

wonder if this is true for anybody

Just because you say "I know you're going to flame me" doesn't mean we're not going to flame you. Show proof.

No the worse you play the better you run, ldo.

THIS IS SPARTAAAAAAAAAAA

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[x] gimmick account
[x] moran
[x] ban OP

i love the UB reference... im pretty sure people realised they were getting cheated

also all in EV calculators often show about even over time (look at WCG riders NL25 prop bet, he was only 64cents off his expected winnings.)

you'll be a better player when you realise they are not rigged.

Did anyone actually read OP? I sort of just posted assuming this would be deleted....