This is a terrible attitude to take when a player or two want to turn the table into a gambooool fest. You know no matter what "rules" they announce that you're still allowed to look at your cards, right?

No, they started to get nasty about it -- people were looking at their cards and then jumping in -- so before the table erupted into a huge fight I told them they couldn't enforce "their rules" on the table. They could look if they wanted, we could look if we wanted and if they wanted no one to look, they needed to get a private table.

Trust me, you're doing it wrong. Be happy when these guys show up at your table, and learn to play along without being adversarial towards them.

The Kelly Criteron is a mathematical formula on how to grow your bankroll the fastest. It states you should risk the percentage of your bankroll which is your edge. So if you have a 1% edge, you should bet 1% of your bankroll.

I find it hard to believe that hands like K5o actually have an edge, but basically if it did, you wouldn't risk as much as if you had K5s or KQs (the latter of which is a snap shove).

And it depends on what your stack is relative to your bankroll.

Thread title got my attention so I clicked.

Was OP in games where players were climbing ladders, possibly to save someone in distress? No. Were players dodging animated fireballs? No. Were barrels getting thrown around, sometimes chaotically? No. Heck, were players playing Donkey Kong on their smartphones/handhelds while at the table? Still no.

OP simply meant "donkey". Now I want those last 5 minutes back.

That would be a dream in SoFla. Every one of the 10+ rooms I've played in down here is $5 + $2.

BINGO ... same stuff ...

These types of games are very common everywhere in the Midwest. I think there are quite a few who are there to gamble (good) or really want to play a higher stake (not open or available ... good).

Playing poker to get opponents into a mentality where they make marginal/-EV calls is what I enjoy about the game. There is a saying I use ...

Don't complain about the call, only the results.

You want the call ... EVERY TIME .. you just don't want them 'rewarded' for their call against you. Let them win against someone else so they keep coming back.

Perfect case in point while I was a little tilted yesterday ... I called a PF 3-bet (50% of his stack) with 9Ts (I opened in the BB, he limp/rr). Flop 9T4 .. winner v AA!!

Well 2 hands later I get KK OTB and raise .. His buddy is mad at me for busting the AA and shoves $110 with J2o (Thinking that I had junk again) ... J on Flop, 2 on River. Did I want the shove, for sure. Did I get 'my' result? Not quite.

But torquing over the table with the 9T call got me into another (supposedly) favorable spot that wouldn't have happened otherwise.

BINGO ... B2 on the River ... BINGO .. GL

You should have spent another minute. The thread isn't about donkeys at the table (players who are inept at the game) -- it is a thread questioning the prevalence of people deliberately (as in people who know better), calling large pre-flop bets with knowingly inferior hands for the "thrill" of cracking better hands. Yes, they're acting like donkeys (but knowingly for higher stakes) just for the "rush".

OK, I understand what you meant....but still don't see the video game connection. Actually Crazy Kong (DK's bootleg version) sounds a little better imo.

But a decent video-game reference to poker is Pacman, since you're trying to "eat" other player's stacks in whole.

Anyways back to the main discussion...

End this level fest please......

This type of poker exists at our casino here in Iowa. I agree that these players make it very profitable over the long run. In the short run, it can get very frustrating when there are three or four of these players at the table. Here's a typical scenario. EP raises to $10 with KQs. Two callers in MP with J10 and 67 (suited or not). Button raises to $42 with AA. Original raiser calls and the other two also call thinking they have pot odds. Or, more likely, the KQ jams $200 on an ill-timed 4-bet and the other two call with roughly $100 each cuz they have "live cards". The guy with AA now knows he's ahead but only 40% to win - which he doesn't.

I've seen these goofs run a $100 buy-in up over $1000 then back down to nothing many times.

Didnt read a single letter of your OP, your topic line was enough

Isn't this topic more suited for "Live Casino Poker"?

It was there, a moderator must have moved it.

Just at the airport now, been playing quite a bit 1/2 in vegas. It depends a bit on the table but usually the std raise is like 6-8bb which usually gets several callers. Also postflop many call huge bets with any pair. A bit boring to play correctly against but it you cant beat that you should quit.

Why did this get moved here?

I'm going to start moving some to our **** threads to Live Casino Poker

imo next ChanY thread --> LCP

Edit: That actually gave me an idea: Wouldn't it be fun to have a thread which gets moved around from forum to forum?

I say give rapini a run for his money -- move something there he will really enjoy...

Here it's even more fun.. first guy bets $45. Second guy calls. Third guy looks down at pocket 5's and jams $150 all-in. 4th guy looks down at his "favorite hand" of 6, 3 os which he won a big pot with in 2004 and which he knows will crack a high pocket pair this time and he calls all-in for his remaining $84. First guy looks at his pocket kings, knows he's in trouble, jams his remaining $200 in. Second guy has A, 2 suited, and says "I have to call" and does. There's no money left to play for... another fun hand at the $1/$2/all-in table. lol

I actually had a player confess that the larger I raise the wider he calls. It annoyed him that I would make it $25 pre at 1/2 so he called out of spite just hoping to bad beat me. Or he'd minraise preflop, I'd 3bet hard and he'd toss his arms in the air and say "wtf that was supposed to be a little juicer and here you come again".

Some people like to gamble, and will play suboptimal poker in order to do so.

I was unaware that this was surprising news.

Buddy I introduced Donkey Kong Poker.

Have been in one of these games too. Worst floorman ever.

Wp

Lol @ serious responses itt