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08-16-2009 , 03:19 PM
He's at it again today
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08-16-2009 , 04:03 PM
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Although I must say the way boku achieves such exponential payday amounts from a very low bankroll is a very impressive thing, his winrate drop significantly at the $60 to 3% roi overall and 7% roi avg. if it's 18 or more players. Although, that is to be expected since he probably 30-50 tables those stakes, I believe that a lot of other regulars, with a better winrate, could reach 100k from a 10k+ bankroll faster than boku. Not trying to hate on him, but he's also got a -roi over a 3k+ sample size at the $100+ level and most of these were in '07 were competition was way softer as well (unless he drastically improved since then and would be +ev in those games now? he didn't put any volume at these stakes now, so i assume it's not the case). All in all, boku is merely an average grinder for these stakes with a decent (for the volume he plays) but not great winrate, who got so many people to wet their pants because most of them were low ss grinders who didn't think that achieving significant $ through volume at lower stakes was possible.
lol

somebody is jealous
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08-16-2009 , 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by OWLS
Although I must say the way boku achieves such exponential payday amounts from a very low bankroll is a very impressive thing, his winrate drop significantly at the $60 to 3% roi overall and 7% roi avg. if it's 18 or more players. Although, that is to be expected since he probably 30-50 tables those stakes, I believe that a lot of other regulars, with a better winrate, could reach 100k from a 10k+ bankroll faster than boku. Not trying to hate on him, but he's also got a -roi over a 3k+ sample size at the $100+ level and most of these were in '07 were competition was way softer as well (unless he drastically improved since then and would be +ev in those games now? he didn't put any volume at these stakes now, so i assume it's not the case). All in all, boku is merely an average grinder for these stakes with a decent (for the volume he plays) but not great winrate, who got so many people to wet their pants because most of them were low ss grinders who didn't think that achieving significant $ through volume at lower stakes was possible.
but this is not the challenge, so isn't tht irrelevant?
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08-16-2009 , 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by JuniorMontana01
lol

somebody is jealous
Haha, not really... I'm just pointing out that everyone boku is simply an average med stakes grinder who puts in a ton of volume, which is his primary asset and not his playing ability. Also as of '09 he is -3% roi over 2k sample size at $60s sngs.

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but this is not the challenge, so isn't tht irrelevant?
I know, and like I said, the primary people he's inspiried/influenced are ss players who are breakeven or slightly winning who cannot fathom such an amount being made at relatively small stakes over such a short period.

Boku has great work ethic, and that's what made him successful with his challenge and now this, that's why pokerstars paid him to do this to attract small stakes players to deposit and start playing, since they'll think what have they got to lose.

All I'm pointing out is that he is simply an average med stakes grinder who is dedicated and not some sort of god who crushes all kinds of sngs. A lot of people seem oblivious to this though.
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08-16-2009 , 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by OWLS
Haha, not really... I'm just pointing out that everyone boku is simply an average med stakes grinder who puts in a ton of volume, which is his primary asset and not his playing ability. Also as of '09 he is -3% roi over 2k sample size at $60s sngs.
That's like saying a 12 tabling 400NL reg who crushes the game @ 5ptbb isn't thát good because he should get raped @ 5000NL.
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08-16-2009 , 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by OWLS
Although I must say the way boku achieves such exponential payday amounts from a very low bankroll is a very impressive thing, his winrate drop significantly at the $60 to 3% roi overall and 7% roi avg. if it's 18 or more players. Although, that is to be expected since he probably 30-50 tables those stakes, I believe that a lot of other regulars, with a better winrate, could reach 100k from a 10k+ bankroll faster than boku. Not trying to hate on him, but he's also got a -roi over a 3k+ sample size at the $100+ level and most of these were in '07 were competition was way softer as well (unless he drastically improved since then and would be +ev in those games now? he didn't put any volume at these stakes now, so i assume it's not the case). All in all, boku is merely an average grinder for these stakes with a decent (for the volume he plays) but not great winrate, who got so many people to wet their pants because most of them were low ss grinders who didn't think that achieving significant $ through volume at lower stakes was possible.
For one, this isn't $100k from 10k+, it's 100k from $5, it's apples and oranges. And I'm sure some of the regs may be able to do it faster, if you measure it by the amount of games played, but I doubt anyone could do it faster (time wise) than Boku, considering his volume. Yes, his ROI is low, but that's because of the amount of tables he's playing, it's expected that ROI would drop significantly for someone playing 40-60 tables.
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08-16-2009 , 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by OWLS
Haha, not really... I'm just pointing out that everyone boku is simply an average med stakes grinder who puts in a ton of volume, which is his primary asset and not his playing ability. Also as of '09 he is -3% roi over 2k sample size at $60s sngs.



I know, and like I said, the primary people he's inspiried/influenced are ss players who are breakeven or slightly winning who cannot fathom such an amount being made at relatively small stakes over such a short period.

Boku has great work ethic, and that's what made him successful with his challenge and now this, that's why pokerstars paid him to do this to attract small stakes players to deposit and start playing, since they'll think what have they got to lose.

All I'm pointing out is that he is simply an average med stakes grinder who is dedicated and not some sort of god who crushes all kinds of sngs. A lot of people seem oblivious to this though.
Whats ur stats look like bro? Maybe someone would listen to your theory if you were someone worth listening to.
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08-16-2009 , 07:48 PM
I hate degens talking ****
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08-17-2009 , 03:09 AM
I saw Boku in Weener, Germany when he removed the sunglasses.
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08-17-2009 , 03:27 AM
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Originally Posted by OWLS
Although I must say the way boku achieves such exponential payday amounts from a very low bankroll is a very impressive thing, his winrate drop significantly at the $60 to 3% roi overall and 7% roi avg. if it's 18 or more players. Although, that is to be expected since he probably 30-50 tables those stakes, I believe that a lot of other regulars, with a better winrate, could reach 100k from a 10k+ bankroll faster than boku. Not trying to hate on him, but he's also got a -roi over a 3k+ sample size at the $100+ level and most of these were in '07 were competition was way softer as well (unless he drastically improved since then and would be +ev in those games now? he didn't put any volume at these stakes now, so i assume it's not the case). All in all, boku is merely an average grinder for these stakes with a decent (for the volume he plays) but not great winrate, who got so many people to wet their pants because most of them were low ss grinders who didn't think that achieving significant $ through volume at lower stakes was possible.
I'm not overly interested in this challenge and I haven't really been following the progress but what I would say is that the amount of volume Boku puts in is surely heavily detrimental to his win rate and ROI but he's obviously not concerned about this.

Just flicking through some of these posts I notice people saying how he has a negative ROI over reasonable samples at higher stakes and I'm not surprised. Just in his DoN experiment (not sure if he's still playing them) I sat at numerous tables with him and he is hugely exploitable and I'm sure it's all because he is playing way too many tables. Not saying he's bad or anything but he gives away a huge edge and I was virtually table selecting all his games (not hard when he's 50-tabling I must say though)because he is so predictable and makes many mistakes in that particular format.

I'm not making out that I'm better than him or anything just saying that from what I've seen he seems to sacrifice a huge amount of quality for quantity .
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08-17-2009 , 03:32 AM
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Originally Posted by OWLS
Although I must say the way boku achieves such exponential payday amounts from a very low bankroll is a very impressive thing, his winrate drop significantly at the $60 to 3% roi overall and 7% roi avg. if it's 18 or more players. Although, that is to be expected since he probably 30-50 tables those stakes, I believe that a lot of other regulars, with a better winrate, could reach 100k from a 10k+ bankroll faster than boku. Not trying to hate on him, but he's also got a -roi over a 3k+ sample size at the $100+ level and most of these were in '07 were competition was way softer as well (unless he drastically improved since then and would be +ev in those games now? he didn't put any volume at these stakes now, so i assume it's not the case). All in all, boku is merely an average grinder for these stakes with a decent (for the volume he plays) but not great winrate, who got so many people to wet their pants because most of them were low ss grinders who didn't think that achieving significant $ through volume at lower stakes was possible.
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Originally Posted by OWLS
Haha, not really... I'm just pointing out that everyone boku is simply an average med stakes grinder who puts in a ton of volume, which is his primary asset and not his playing ability. Also as of '09 he is -3% roi over 2k sample size at $60s sngs.

which makes this challenge even better for pokerstars, since low to mid stakes are where a beginner would jump into.

And, irrespective of how good/bad he is at highest stakes, many of us do not believe that he is only average at mid-low stakes. He is excellent at low stakes, for sure. I do not remember his ROI at stakes above $12s and $16/18s (ie. $27s and $38), but guess it is good enough to beat the hourly of any other reg. I remember seeing 35% at 12/180 and ~10 at 12/45. All this while 30-40 tabling. An 'average' player cant do that. Those are ROIs even 'above-average' players struggle to maintain.
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08-17-2009 , 03:46 AM
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Good job Boku, keep it up

Physcological question now:

I know Boku is good at his game, but i want to leave that aside for now.

does anyone else think that his reputation, amount of people from here railing him and general gossip amongst the tourny tables is having any affect on peoples decisions?

I mean on final tables, say 60% of people are aware of his challenge , does that affect their decisions?

Can anyone who has final tabled with Boku give us their thoughts on some moves and hands played?

Boku, do you think people are wary of calling your pushes or generaly play tighter against you?

Just wondering......
i play in 45's from $12-$60 and 12/36 180s so i run into boku a bunch. I tend to think he doesn't follow icm enough in 45's and so i adjust to that (i tend to think this is why his success in higher 45's is lower, also see littlehippie for another example of a good low stakes reg but someone who doesn't do as great over a decent sample at higher stakes, again he ignores icm a lot). I can't say much though because i'm breakeven over 1500 games at the 38's and 60's lifetime. i know he shoves wider in certain spots and so i tend to iso lighter against him earlier in tournaments. I also think he calls super light BVB while 3 and 4 handed in 45's and this has to negatively effect his roi, but it does have the added benefit of pissing me off (though i don't really adjust because you really can't adjust to that at all, if its an ATC spot its an ATC spot no matter the calling range).
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08-17-2009 , 08:56 AM
Yeah of course, his roi at the $12-16s and below is pretty sick for the volume he puts in (even if he played half the tables it would still be great) but that's about the last level he can "crush" in terms of sngs imo. Also what I meant by average player (not sure if it came across that way though) was a player who is an average winning player of like 3%+ roi or so at $50+ stts. Of course an "average" online player won't be able to do this since boku's probably better than 99.9% of them.
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08-17-2009 , 10:17 AM
UserID = Boku87
VPPs = 51,948.08
Chips = $15,766.33
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08-17-2009 , 10:19 AM
any updated graph?
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08-17-2009 , 11:08 AM
Why dont u get on twitter Boku?!
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08-17-2009 , 01:25 PM
Can anyone tell me how do I post a picture here. Wanna post his sharkscope graph.
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08-17-2009 , 02:02 PM
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08-17-2009 , 11:25 PM
LOL yes i do run good but i do run like **** depends on days what can you do but hey dont hate on me because i proposed an idea to your god!!!!!
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08-18-2009 , 12:22 PM
Boku, playing today?
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08-18-2009 , 01:29 PM
be pretty funny if boku did ship the sunday million and the challenge was over next week
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08-18-2009 , 11:52 PM
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08-19-2009 , 12:15 AM
^ Sick MS paint skills itt.
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