1/3 NL
QQ in the BB
OMC limps, as do 4 others.

Hero raises to $28
OMC Calls, as do 2 others

Flop JJTr

Hero bets $60
OMC calls in such a way that I know he hit that flop hard
All others fold.

Hero is all but done with the hand until ...

Turn Q

Hero bets $60 hoping OMC will shove for him. OMC calls.

River: case J

Hero checks, OMC bets $70, hero flushes $70 down the toilet as OMC could have TT.

OMC tables JT.

Sigh.

If he is true OMC there is no way he has TT when he bets the river.

What is the point of this thread

I think OP may have forgotten to include the punchline, otherwise

Are you saying bad beats shouldn't be posted in BBV?

Op, if you average out your chances of winning throughout the four betting intervals, (Pre, Flop, Turn, River,) you get 86% + 9% + 98% + 0% / 4 which gives you an average chance of winning of only 48.25%, therefore the OMC was actually a favorite to win the hand. Also it is pretty shabby of you to lament the fact that you failed to put a bad beat on the OMC, who had quads which are obviously much better than a measly Full House. Best hand won and for once in the history of BBV you actually could fold River; instead you called in some masochistic frenzy of self-harm, and felt compelled to come here and tell us about it for some unknown reason?

tldr; every loss is not a bad beat & you deserved it for picking on some poor OMC.

DOH!?!? WTF!

"Frenzy of self-harm"!? "The OMC was actually a favorite to win the hand"!?

OK, you got me. It took me this long to get the joke - well played.

Please try to remember you have a lot to live for. Losing a 50/50 in poker is not the end of the world.

It's not whether you won or lost, but how many bad-beat stories you were able to tell that weren't actual bad beats.

Do you actually think this wasn't a bad beat?

The actual bad beat here is being on this forum for 20 years and not knowing what BBV is.

OK, you're an idiot.

Hmmm, I would say a check/fold is in order or a bet/fold to a reraise. Either way I know I am beat but just in case the bet and getting reraised would confirm it rather than a check and face a bet. Just me. If he just calls then you can confirm his hand and be in no worse shape.

OK, I prefer to avoid strategy in this forum, but since you insist.

When the OMC bets $70 on the river, the pot is $410. That gives me ~6:1 on the call.

So, what is his range?

Well, I did think he hit the flop hard, and as good as my live reads may be, they aren't always right. Conservatively, I give myself a 60% accuracy rate.

So, any JT, QJ, TT, Tx, Qx, KK & AA are still possible, maybe even 77-99. Why KK+? OMCs love to play passively and let others do the betting. So, while doing table math, I lose to about a 1/3 of his holdings and win against the other 2/3.

The problem is that I'm weighing the 1/3 at 60% and the remainder at 30% (yes I trashed 10% as a fudge factor).

Another piece of information I would have provided in a strategy forum was that he started the hand with ~$500 and I had him covered. So, he bet the $70 with about $300 behind. That bet screams value more than the nuts.

Now I admit to providing more detail here than what was done in-game, however, this is very close to my thinking at the time.

In short, his river bet was small enough that his hand range was wide enough.

Should have gotten it all in on the turn, that way he doesn't hit the jack

Reported to the mods.

I guess BBV is no longer about bad beats. Not sure what it is about, but it seems like a place for trolls to gather.

Yes, I miss the good old days, when we had classic threads like this one:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/5...73/?highlight=

Dude, you have a lot of free time and little purpose in life.

Says the man who typed out a full hand history in BBV...

Lol at thinking he would bet a ten

You ovr bet your pair of queens made a big pot with only a pair and got beat by a bigger hand. Old saying goes: How much you loss with a pair is your true ability.