Right, I woudn't really be too concerned about angle shooting in temrs of slowing down play. And as for chip dumping, I really don't know what would be the right way to monitor. How did ChicagoJoey get past this issue in his 50k hand prop bet on 25nl?

Well my most high volume day was 25k hands and I was in the red that session. I don't think there are any 100nl+ 6m regs who has played 25k+ hands session within a day, I can't speak for FR tho.

Sort "vs Players" by $USD, and it should be very easy to see if any one (or more) person(s) has had money dumped to them.

Booked at 3-1 to my favor:
terp 3k (or more) (3k confirmed by escrow)
hellokittery 600
lemming 300 (confirmed by escrow)
Pocket Watch 300
BoC34 300 (confirmed by escrow)
spacecakezzz/Gene Fish 750
Th3_S1aught3r - The rest?

About 2.25k in action left.

Looks like I'll be fully booked fairly (my 2.5k to BBV's 7.5k) soon once I confirm the numbers from The_Slaughter.

Also looking for 3rd party escrows/judges if required by bettors.

youre not a 3.5 ptbb / 100 loser at 1/2 though!

prepare for an influx of newly educated prop betters.

600 sent plz confirm
also would be nice with webcam
glgl. might clash on tables that day

confirmed 600 from hellokittery

Since I'm not longer betting I'll offer myself up as a judge/escrow if need be. I've been a judge in 2 prop bets in the past, escrowed once, and done a number of 5fig xfers.

Booked at 3-1 to my favor:
terp 3k (or more) (3k confirmed by escrow)
hellokittery 600 (confirmed by escrow)
lemming 300 (confirmed by escrow)
Pocket Watch 300
BoC34 300 (confirmed by escrow)
spacecakezzz/Gene Fish 750
Th3_S1aught3r - The rest?

About 2.25k in action left.

Looks like I'll be fully booked fairly (my 2.5k to BBV's 7.5k) soon once I confirm the numbers from The_Slaughter.

Thanks blackize. I guess you can be the 3rd party judge for this prop in which your responsibility is to monitor possible angle shooting on both ends, however that might be done.

Action definitely still open.

who am i sending the money to? how does it work with ecsrow? do they take a cut? just curious...never done anything with an escrow before.

i think it's probably a good idea to have a third-party escrow. i think everything is aboveboard, but keeping with well-honed protocol for these prop bets is probably best for all parties.

if someone can verify the stuff blackize said i'm sure nobody would take an issue with him being a 2nd escrow. anyone who is willing can still send their wagers to me, but i'd imagine by sometime tomorrow we could set up blackize as a second option. obviously verifying this would also make him a front runner for impartial judge.

no the escrow won't take a cut, he's just a third party to handle the money while the bet goes down to assure that the wagers end up where they should. as of now i'm the escrow (KRab42 on pokerstars) but if you want to wait I think blackize will probably be an option come tomorrow or so.

I really don't think he should be getting better than 1 to 1 here.

24 tables x 80 hands an hour x 16 hours = 30,720 hands, so the 30K hands is a lock imo, and if he's good he can probably be +$ at least 60% of the time.

Escrow definitely should not be taking a cut.

I'm going to bed shortly, should I be accepted as an escrow I'm blackize on both Stars and FTP, city Laurel. DO NOT SEND ME ANY MONEY UNTIL OP ACCEPTS ME AS AN ESCROW. IF YOU SEND ME MONEY SEND ME A PM WITH YOUR SCREEN NAME, THE SITE YOU SENT ON, AND THE AMOUNT YOU SENT SO I CAN EASILY VERIFY EVERYTHING.

I would definitely like at least one more judge on this as going over 30k hands for impropriety if necessary could be a very time consuming endeavor. And as I've learned from judging in the past it helps to be able to discuss decisions with other impartial people before forming a conclusion.

Previous judging experience:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=312
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=105

Some Xfers:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=438 + few more but I figure this is enough for now since the most I'll be holding is ~10k

Escrow:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=3128

And please refrain from posting your thoughts on a fair line until OPs current wagers are escrowed.

i think doing 25k at 100nl is about 7.5x easier than 30k at 200nl

Booked at 3-1 to my favor:
terp 3k (or more) (3k confirmed by KRab42)
hellokittery 600 (confirmed by KRab42)
lemming 300 (confirmed by KRab42)
Pocket Watch 300
BoC34 300 (confirmed by KRab42)
spacecakezzz/Gene Fish 750
Th3_S1aught3r - The rest?

About 2.25k in action left (and will consider taking more). Action still open @ 3-1 to my favor.

You can now also send your money to blackize (both on Stars or FTP) as you wish. He will be the second escrow/judge for this prop.

Full Prop Details:

The bet: OP (Gary_Neville, MilitiaRusha on pokerstars) will play 30k hands in 24 hours or less and show a profit before rakeback.

The odds: 3:1 in Gary's favor ($7,500 of bbv's money against $2,500 of Gary's)

The escrows and judges: KRab42 on stars and FTP, city is chicago. blackize on stars and FTP, city is Laurel. PM both of them about sending on FTP but it's not preferred.

Rules:

1. The bet will take place between March 19th 6:00am CET and March 20th 6:00am CET
2. At least 30,000 hands will be played within that time frame. If not, Gary loses the bet
3. At the end of 30,000 hands profit will be totaled, before rakeback. Gary will not have a chance to chase losses beyond 30,000 hands played
4. All hands will be played on pokerstars, under the handle MilitiaRusha, at 200nl 6max tables, either 50bb min or regular. Gary will be full stacked at all points during the 30,000 hands.
5. There MAY be a webcam recording (subject to technical restrictions), and Gary will not be hidden from search.
6. There is no restriction on how long he plays consecutively, only that he must complete 30,000 hands in the given time frame
7. There is no restriction on who can sit at his tables, but any suspicious activity (i.e. stalling) will be noted and dealt with by appointed judges. All bettors must provide their pokerstars screen name so that judges may monitor their activity on Gary's tables. Any bettor who is determined to have stalled significantly will void the bet.

Post any questions or necessary clarifications here

Please post/PM me when you have confirmed Th3_S1aught3r amounts. I will probably be able to take a decent chunk of the rest.

No way Id ever bet on this, way too easy for him to have someone dump a few buyins if hes down..

Will post inquiries/issues regarding chip dumping later.

Ya this propbet is sketchy as hell imo, definitely not 3 to 1.

How many tables is he playing? Are they all 6-max?

HAHAAHAHAHAHHAHAAH TOOOO F'KIN BAD FOR THE BETTTTOOOORRRRSSS HAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Why would PS give that information to him?

We are on your side Gary, F'k these lying slanderers.

GARY WINS TEH BET, GO HOME LOSERZ

This is F'king preposterous. No do-over. PAY THE MAN HIS MONEY.

shut up

I've yet to see anything in this thread that that would disqualify gary, imo. The judges fail.

No matter what you find in PTR there is no way you can disqualify this guy, right? Just pay him.

I think the next time a prop bet is held like this a 9 person jury should be elected before hand.

There is nothing that can be proved against gary, just pay him.

All the judges can really do here is ship Gary his money, obv.

no proof, pay him.

obv gary gets the money here, obv.

I've yet to see a shred of concrete evidence against gary.

So if gary had just folded his way into the winnings when he was up $1400 would there still be an argument here?

Ya it didn't say gary couldn't chip-dump in teh rules, right? There's no proof anyway, pay him.

+1

gary is seriously getting screwed over here, obv.

3-1 lol

if you look at some of the other prop bets that got the same odds, NO WAY this should get 3-1 and I don't think this would be that hard for most of the nl200+ sne grinders to do if they had some extra incentive to do it but they dont. Im pretty sure if gary is going to bet money on this then there is like a 90+ percent chance he'll be able to be successful