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03-20-2010 , 12:35 AM

#376

MarcEnoch

journeyman

Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 292

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Originally Posted by kaedin

Even if it is a guy that takes his game seriously, I think there's more explanations than just chip dumping. Maybe he saw the thread and thought 'lol watch i'll go outplay the guy with any hand'. Maybe he just watched Rounders. Who knows.

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03-20-2010 , 12:38 AM

#377

FyteOn

adept

Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 728

It looks fishy but at least he shoved on OP and not vice versa. Calling off on T7 is more more fishy. My only thought is that there is no way he'd know what OP had even if he was chipdumping. Time was never called and there's no way OP could have tipped him that he had QQ in that short of time.

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03-20-2010 , 12:40 AM

#378

kaedin

grinder

Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 463

Uhm, also, guys, maybe I'm out leveling myself, and I have no money on this bet either way, but if people were going to chip dump, 4 bet folding seems better than getting it an with ATC, since there's 100% chance Gary wins if dumper folds and still some chance Gary loses if they play the hand out.

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03-20-2010 , 12:41 AM

#379

FyteOn

adept

Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 728

The sick part is, even if he was dumping, he turned 8 outs.

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03-20-2010 , 12:41 AM

#380

PunnyYouSayThat

Tattoo Commissioner

Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 5,097

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Originally Posted by FyteOn

this

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03-20-2010 , 12:43 AM

#381

AJackson

old hand

Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,905

I have serious doubts about chip dumping. Its the worse possible way to chip dump,much better to 4b/fold or double barrel c/f river a few times. Also how do they arrange it?

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03-20-2010 , 12:44 AM

#382

Masq

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 15,134

If they wanted to chip dump, you'd think they'd do it in a way which was less obvious and the cards wouldn't get exposed. At least if they were smart about it.

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03-20-2010 , 12:45 AM

#383

Reel Ya In

grinder

Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 544

There's no way that was a chip dump. It happened way too fast and breeezzz was on other tables. Looks like he put his whole roll at 1/2 and didn't have any to reload.

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03-20-2010 , 12:52 AM

#384

Rays champs in 08

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 4,676

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Originally Posted by blackize

I'm judging.

Determining something like that sucks because obviously both sides have an incentive to chip dump. Gary to try and win and bettors to force a forfeit.

so ur a better judge adn escrow for this?

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03-20-2010 , 12:53 AM

#385

Nostalgica

banned

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 844

The guy was playing 100NL HU afterewards.

btw, he's a solid beginner player, and I've talked to him some on msn since like a year ago. He played like 25NL and 180s. IDK wtf he was doing there...

I think if they were gonna chip dump they'd do it way earlier in the match and not the end, right? when everyone is watching.

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03-20-2010 , 12:56 AM

#386

blackize

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 10,519

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Originally Posted by Rays champs in 08

so ur a better judge adn escrow for this?

Not betting

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03-20-2010 , 01:04 AM

#387

thac

Strummin' along

Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 46,655

wowwww, 19 hands lifetime at 200nl, a 10nl grinder.. comes up and loses a buyin specifically to militia with T7o? I'd hate to be the judge if he's only up $150 at the end of the bet, but it looks REALLY fishy of breeezzz.

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03-20-2010 , 01:07 AM

#388

Nostalgica

banned

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 844

I was saying, can't the bettors argue that even if he's up 200+ he could have been chip dumped at another time? That makes is sort of impossible doesn't it?

also, idk why anyone would want to be judge for something like this with no incentive.

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03-20-2010 , 01:09 AM

#389

Masq

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 15,134

250 hands left, I think he can just fold every hand and win if he wanted.

Last edited by Masq; 03-20-2010 at 01:13 AM. Reason: +118 with 188 hands left.

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03-20-2010 , 01:15 AM

#390

Nostalgica

banned

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 844

Seems like he's taking the folding line. Judges, time to lol.

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03-20-2010 , 01:16 AM

#391

FyteOn

adept

Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 728

What's a guesstimate on his rakeback for 30k hands?

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03-20-2010 , 01:17 AM

#392

thac

Strummin' along

Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 46,655

Pretty sure being a judge means receiving all of his hand histories for database review.

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03-20-2010 , 01:19 AM

#393

Nostalgica

banned

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 844

Yeah, but 30k is a lot of hands. Why would anyone do that?

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03-20-2010 , 01:22 AM

#394

blackize

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 10,519

30k hands isn't that much when you only have to look at pots where gary won/lost money. And I can further narrow that down by pots where he won/lost more than $x

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03-20-2010 , 01:22 AM

#395

hellokittery

enthusiast

Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 94

that breeeezzzz hand is the most tilting **** ever
eff that guy

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03-20-2010 , 01:23 AM

#396

Nostalgica

banned

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 844

Here's a hypothetical, let's say he's up 1k after the alleged chip dump of 1 BIs. He can still lose the entire bet if it's decided it looks too suspicious right?

Does it depend on when the dump was made, when he was up or down, or what? idk how you can even decide that stuff.

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03-20-2010 , 01:37 AM

#397

ChicagoJoey

Papi

Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 15,583

This would be cool if there was unbiased judge

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03-20-2010 , 01:44 AM

#398

FyteOn

adept

Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 728

I'd be happy to help judge if there are hands in dispute. I know absolutely nobody involved. I've been a lawyer for 12 years and I've mediated a few cases. If you need a third judge or someone impartial let me know.

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03-20-2010 , 01:48 AM

#399

spacecakezzz

old hand

Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,932

whoever is judging can u please find out why a guy who talks about his variance at $25 NL is playing two orbits and magically shoving T7o here then instasitting out?

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/32.../#post15103146

his biggest pot in his life was $93 and looking at PTR he seems to be on the tight passive side.

just seems strange that he comes in guns blazing with T7

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03-20-2010 , 01:51 AM

#400

Nostalgica

banned

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 844

He was playing on other tables with less than full stack. It seems that he sat out because he ran out of money... he moved to 100NL afterwards, played for a bit, then quit.

edit: PTR isn't showing it though, but I was watching him reraise/folding to another player and then call down with some weak hand with a 60bb stack and losing.

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