Unpossible, I am the only Asian.

Wait, I'm villain?!? *Mindblown*

Also, keep in mind that Villain may not have been deciding between call and fold on the turn.

Congratulations sir, you have leveled up. To 2.

Did not think this hand would generate much actual strategy discussion. If a mod wants to break it out into a thread, that would be fine with me.

I think that is actually level 3. At least that is the way I have always understood it.

Level 1 = what do I have?
Level 2 = what do they have?
Level 3 = what do they think I have?

How many levels y'all got

This is very simple, if you don't open A5 pf here you can't haven't when I I cr turn, even if you cr flush draws here a small % of the time, it's still much greater than the 0% you do when you fold them pf.

This thread reminds me of the conversation I have at least once a week after a light call. him: how can you call that, what do you think I had
Me: I thought you were bluffing
Him: I never bluff there,
Me: but you just did
Him: your awful

"I thought you were bluffing" is a good response there but that's not why you called. You thought he'd be bluffing often enough to make the call profitable. In regards to the part of this thread that is like that exchange: this dude made a bad call. I'm not "never" bluffing there. But I'm not bluffing nearly enough to make that call profitable.

Just so there are no misunderstandings, I'll repeat for a third time that I've learned ITT that that doesn't matter. His perception of me, was that the call would be profitable. That was not a factor in my decision to take that line, and it should have been.

so to sum up you don't bluff enough and villain incorrectly assumed you played better.

I seriously doubt the gto solution involves b/f AK in this spot.

In fact, I'd go as far as to say b/f AK to anyone who isn't a pure as snow, always-has-it type here is terrible.

Not to people (like me) that raise UTG w/ a 5 in their hand.

i was going to say this, but was concerned i would be perceived as racist.

It's not how many you got, it's how many they perceive you to have.

You've been demoted back down to 1.

I just want to add this may the funniest response I've ever read to anything as it's exactly the same thing I was talking about. The guy puts you on a turned flush draw, you have a turned flush draw )3 calls and wins and you say he made a terrible call.

I mean I don't even know how to respond to this.


Sure you say you never bluff here but (a) that's likely untrue and (b) the rest of your range is probably configured in a way that makes flush draws way more likely here, whether you realize it or not (c) maybe you just have massive tells and were shaking nervously when you raised.

Perhaps you guys are being a little unfair to OP.

I put the following into Hero's preflop range: 77+, A5s+, ATo+,K9s+,KJo+,99, suited broadways,T9s. Assume we xk and call all our range on the flop as OP states. On the turn we xr for value with TPTK+ and

a.only combo draws
b. all FD's.

Then villain's AKo has a. -15 EV and b. +6.55 EV for calling and calling non flush rivers. (in a 40-80 game)

So if we take OP's ranges as given, the c.d. is bad.

However, I suspect that xk-calling all value hands is not the way to go on this board. When button 3! utg, the ranges are not so asymmetrical that button should auto brl turn a high percentage, which means that when we try to xr turn with TT or JJ our equity against his betting range won't be as high as you might think. So I think we should split ranges and xr JJ/TT and slowplay AA/KK/QQ or something. Then the c.d. w AK is probably ok.

CaptainR, that made me laugh. Even though the other poster noted it's likely level3, your post was funnier.

Pincus, just wow. Really epic stuff. Keep discussing this, please. We're headed for an epic bread situation here.

Jonlocke. That story is perfect. Just played a friendly poker game and made a $25 call w a high. Same exact conversation pretty much. Amazing how the mind of some people work. More precisely I said honestly: "the way you played the hand, it just didn't make sense that you had anything that could bet and be called for value" to which he said "yes it did" lollll. Ok then.........see present situation good sir.

Right. I don't bluff enough. I'm trying to improve at it! I've posted two bluff hands in this forum and the consensus is that I played them both awful.

It's hard for me to reconcile "don't bluff because you seem like someone who bluffs a lot" with "you don't bluff enough"

needs more love.

If you play poker by putting people on specific hands, you play it different than me. I think in terms of ranges. To each his own.

Don't start bluffing just because you need to bluff more. You bluff because its correct to do. The bluff in hand 2 isn't awful, even when behind you have reasonable equity. Its just very unlikely AK or a pair would ever fold and thats a large part of his range. If he can have KQ, AT and etc and will fold those then its ok. Nobody commented your bluff is bad, they just commented thinking villain will fold to it is unreasonable. Yes, the KT is terrible.

Maybee you can expand on this for me because its a relatively new concept. DO you mean your range on the turn, is both pairs and flush draws. If thats true I'm still having trouble seeing why he should fold AK?

this^^

It is all about what ranges he gives you to raise preflop, call his 3 bet (not 4 bet), c/c that low dry flop (most hands beating him on the flop would be c/r except maybe a set) , then c/r a fairly innocent J turn that adds a flush draw to the board. Once he calls turn, he is pretty much snap calling any non diamond river and maybe raising a non diamond A or K. The decision was on the turn.

As others have said, In a normal 8 hour session of the game I play in, I probably see Ace high (not just AK either) call down at least 20 times, not all of them correctly called down of course, but nonetheless it shocks me that this seems foreign to you.

He calls you down with A10+ in this spot imo

Aren't a lot of these hands taken out of his range after heads up flop action?