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10-04-2008 , 05:34 AM
Good game, 20/40 8-handed.

UTG folds.
UTG+1 raises.
MP1 calls.
MP2 (very loose preflop, calls down single bets with any pair) calls.
I call from cutoff with A7.
Button calls.
SB folds.
BB (rockish type, will only raise with powerful hands) calls.

6 players, 12 small bets.

Flop:
A63

BB bets.
UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds.
MP2 calls.
I raise.
Button folds.
BB 3-bets.
MP2 calls.
I call.

3 players, 10.5 big bets.

Turn:
7

BB bets.
MP2 calls.
I raise.
BB 3-bets.
MP2 calls.
I call.

3 players. 19.5 big bets.

River:
T

BB checks.
MP2 checks.
I check.

Thoughts, especially on flop?
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10-04-2008 , 09:17 AM
cap turn, bet river, flop play is fine
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10-04-2008 , 03:32 PM
I usually fold this PF. Having MP2 in there makes a call more appealing, but I still think that cold-calling AXs in a raised pot is usually a recipe for trouble (especially when you're not the button). If UTG+1 was a loose raiser and MP1 sucked as bad as MP2, then I might consider 3-betting.

I'd just call the flop. A rock betting out into a PFR on this board is going to have you beat the vast majority of the time, and there's aren't really any outs you can clean up (any hand you want to fold is going to call 2 more).

The turn is fine. I think capping is too much - rocks just don't usually bet-3-bet the turn with anything less than top 2. I think he has a set of 6s or 3s a lot here.

I also like the river check. I think the rock is irrationally afraid of a back door flush/straight, so he could still have a big hand (but he's never folding, of course).

Of course this is all pretty dependent on your read of BB.
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10-04-2008 , 07:32 PM
I was UTG in this hand. Nice playing with you.

There's no particular reason to raise the flop, there is absolutely no way the BB is leading with a worse hand. He tends to play very straightforward and passive.

I think the turn play is fine, though it is close. After he 3-bets the turn, calling and checking behind on the river is the only play.
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10-04-2008 , 07:37 PM
Flop is fine and ya cap the turn for sure, and call/raise if u really think u got them on river
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10-04-2008 , 08:53 PM
i assume flop play is to drop turn UI against a predictable player? if he is really predictable, consider call, call, fold for the same price + 1 extra card. raising flop with intention to calldown is pretty bad though.

turn is not a cap against the player described... would he 3b a worse 2p here?

river is a set or 2p getting scared i think. more 2p combos but given your read they probably need to be discounted alot (unless he is good/aggro enough to be reading you for a semibluff on the turn and 3betting his 2pair hands -- but i doubt highly doubt it), so i think your check is good. as others have said, this all depends on your read tho.

also, please don't but each action on a separate line, makes your posts harder to read.
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10-04-2008 , 09:42 PM
ok. You played a weak suited A and missed the flush draw on the flop. BB (solid) player bets into you. I would fold on the flop.
note: I would not have played a weak suited A pf to a utg+1 raise.
imo
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10-04-2008 , 09:56 PM
Thanks for the comments. Nice playing with you too tessarji.

Against this player it was very clear I was against a set once he 3-bet the turn, so turn/river were straightforward (after I had already raised).

My question focuses mainly on the flop then -- call or raise.
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10-04-2008 , 10:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by basecrdshp
ok. You played a weak suited A and missed the flush draw on the flop. BB (solid) player bets into you. I would fold on the flop.
note: I would not have played a weak suited A pf to a utg+1 raise.
imo
Most days I would throw this out preflop. Instead I called and got myself into a sticky situation.

You fold the flop getting 14:1? I think you need to at least call, especially with that spade out there.
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10-06-2008 , 10:37 AM
I'd flatcall the flop looking for some sort of improvement on the turn. If BB is a rock his range is AJ+, sets, possibly A6/A3.
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10-07-2008 , 11:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TenFold
Thanks for the comments. Nice playing with you too tessarji.

Against this player it was very clear I was against a set once he 3-bet the turn, so turn/river were straightforward (after I had already raised).

My question focuses mainly on the flop then -- call or raise.
Couldn't BB have A6 and be over-playing on the turn due to MP2?

I just call the flop, though I would not have played this hand pre-flop.
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