Hand 1:

Online, 8-handed. Best full game I've sat at in months, though that isn't the toughest of feats for multiple reasons. MP is a TAG, probably a slight winner, and sits a decent amount of SH and HU. CO is loose and bad. SB is an unknown, but seems to be pretty loose PF and straight forward loose'ish post; probably something like 25/10/1.6 FR. I've been playing pretty aggro for the couple orbits at this table.

First two fold and 3otb opens. Tight player folds, CO cold-calls, tight button folds. SB semis and I call with J3.

4 to the flop for 8 SB's.

Flop comes: 885

Checked to MP who bets, CO folds, SB raises, I 3bet. MP folds, SB calls.

Turn comes: 6

Check, check.

River comes: J

SB bets.


Hand 2:

Online, 7-handed. Five mediocre players ranging from TAG to quasi-TAG and one loose bad player. Folded to 2otb TAG who raises, tight CO folds, semi-tight button folds, loose SB calls, I call with A7.

3 to the flop for 6 SB's.

Flop comes: T74

Checked to LMP who bets. SB raises, I call, MP calls.

Turn comes: 6

SB bets, I raise, MP cold-calls. SB thinks and calls.

River comes: 5

SB checks, I check.

Hand 1 is an easy raise I think. Why check 3 bet the flop if your going to check the turn behind?

Hand 2 I would bet.

Hand 1 I call.

Hand 2 given SB's flop and turn action we're going to see sets and lower flushes quite a bit from him. Since the river doesn't pair, obv our hand is good but I don't know if we can count on MP betting whatever heart he's holding (if he even has one) if it's not the K or maybe Q. I bet the river.

hand 1 i think you can raise and fold to a 3-bet. your hand looks like a missed draw obviously and SB is probably going to value bet any pair hoping you call with A-high. i really doubt you're going to get 3-bet bluffed here by the type of player you described.

hand 2 i like. LMP's hand looks like AxKh, AxQh, KhQx, etc and he's never checking those hands behind but is probably also not raising if you bet the river.

also not exactly sure why you chose to 3-bet the flop in hand one but not in hand 2

hand 1: i dunno its confusing and ur not guaranteed he calls with a weak pair. id just call but its close.

hand 2: mp has to have big heart something like 3/4 of the time for this to be correct (v rare for you to get 4bs here by cr'ing and also v rare for you to get 0 bets by betting) . doubt he's got one often enough.

I think that's a changeup once the guy behind folded.

hand 1 i would bet the turn.

as played i would just call the river. if you think he'll make a wtf hero call with overs then i would raise. but the pot is so large i hate to raisefold it.

hand 2 i would 3bet the flop.

and i would just lead the river. our hand looks a lot like what it is so i don't think it's a good cr spot.

He doesn't 3bang the flop so him having an overpair is virtually out and he coldcalled the turn.

I put him squarely on KQ or KJ with a heart and would CR.

Also, why are these online hands unconverted etc.? Much easier to read when you just convert/post.

I think we can count 66, 88, 76, 89, T9, T8 at various levels of discounting and maybe some other hands as well.

c-bet with KhJ on that flop is pretty thin. calling 2bs on turn with a lone Kh is a pretty thin play so if he's gonna do that then he's def gonna do some other thin stuff.

Hand 2 is the more interesting hand for sure, mostly because of the flop decision. I haven't run any math on it yet, but I've done a lot of the parts of it in different contexts and I will say that I didn't deliberate before calling. It might turn out to be wrong, but after thinking about it a bit more this morning I still like the cold-call.

To all: What range does LMP open with PF and cbet the flop with?

I like my turn check after I 3bet, but I'm not sold on the 3bet to begin with. Without doing the math yet, a lot of the reason to 3bet is because MP's range is so rich in broadways. Calling will result in me paying 2 bets on the turn when a broadway card comes a significant percentage of the time when SB doesn't have an 8 and more when he does and the turn card hits MP. As an added benefit it also cleans up my J outs slightly, though it's not the primary concern. Overall, 3betting gives me better effective odds, though it does hurt my immediate and immediate implieds. I'm definitely not sure 3betting is correct, but I would - and obv did - lean toward it.

I will do the math on it, though this one will be a bitch and I want to work on Hand 2 first.

A HJ opener c-bets his whole range on the flop. This is almost a certainty, but his preflop range may be somewhat unknown.

I think the best, and possibly only benefit of cold calling the flop raise, is that you get to keep him in when you have him reverse dominated, or he has a dominated backdoor flush draw that he'd normally fold for two more. Otherwise, I go with the standard thinking of ZOPMG! nut flush draw + pair 3-ways!! JAM! I think you just have too big of an equity edge to pass this up

I like the turn check and flop play in hand 1. 4 people saw the flop, so SB will be check-raising to protect a weak made hand a lot of the time. Therefore, I think you'll not get capped too often, and you'll often have the option to take a free card on the turn. I also think you should take the free card in this case. IMO you don't have much FE on this card.

trypt,
you open HJ with Qd 9d, both blinds call and flop comes down Th 7s 4h. You always cbet?

Okay, it's a ****ing beautiful day outside and I'm supposed to go to a park later, but I'm gonna try to get this whole Hand 2 calc done and over with as quick as possible here and post all the steps, along with some of the work process. This one won't be as cut and dry as a lot of them, and there's a good chance I won't do a full analysis, but there's a lot of relevant parts here that can be addressed.

Anacardo and I went back and forth coming up with ranges for both opponents and this is what we ended up settling on:

SB's semi range PF:

AJs-A7s
KQs-K9s
QJs-Q9s
JTs-J9s
T9s-T8s
98s
87s
AJ-A9
KQ-KT
QJ-QT
JT
77-22

AA-QQ - 20%
JJ-TT - 30%
99-88 - 40%
AK - 30%
AQ - 45%
A6s-A2s - 20%
K8-K5s - 10%
Q8-Q6s - 10%
J8-J7s - 10%
T7s - 10%
97s - 10%
86s - 10%
76s-75s - 10%
65s - 10%
T9-T7 - 5%
98 - 5%

LMP's range after flop bet:

AA-22
AKs-A4s
AK-A7
KQs-K7s
KQ-KT
QJs-Q9s
QJ
JTs-J9s
T9s-T8s
98s
87s

SB's range for flop raise:

AA-77
44
Any T
Other pocket pairs - 40%
Any 4 - 30%
any 7 - 90%
Flush draw - 90%
Open-ender - 50%
Gutshot - 20%
Two overs to a 7, no pair, no draw - 5%

Off to the park!

Guy,

Just to make sure I understand your notation here...are you saying that you are taking the combos of AJs - A7s at full value, and discounting the combos of AA-QQ by 20% because you don't think he'd have them very often, or are you saying that he would play AA-QQ this way only 20% of the time he has them? (i.e., are you using 80% or 20% for the weighting of the chance that he has those combos?) ...or am I misreading this entirely?

hope you had fun on the swings ,

Dan

Danders,

Those percentages are the multiplier for weighting purposes. e.g., in this range SB has AA-QQ 20% as often as AJs-A7s.

As I understand it he fell in the mud but probably still had a fine time.