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10-31-2009 , 05:44 AM
Live full 20-40. Villain limps EP. Villain is a good LAG. He is tricky and reads hands relatively well. Didn't see hem spazz a lot if at all.
2 weak players limp along. Hero opens QQ OTB. Blinds clear out, limpers call.

The flop is Q72.

Checked to hero, hero bets villain raises, 2 folds, hero 3 bets, villain caps.

The turn is T
Villain bets, hero just calls.

The turn is K
Viliain checks.

Super easy b/c? What about the turn? I mean, I definitely raise w/Q but I don't have it (and I suspect that he does, based on his play)
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10-31-2009 , 10:16 AM
Raise turn. Good lags have way more than spade draws to lag up this flop. If he 3! im calling down UI.

Your hand is too strong to not bet the river. If he gets in a kr with a flush, nh sir. Otherwise, I think he's missing some serious value from hands that you would call but check behind.

Hero doesn't "open" after limper(s), he raises.
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10-31-2009 , 10:26 AM
There's no cap on the flop HU either but I'm insta raising the turn. We have top set, there's NO reason to narrow his range to a flush there. It COULD be a flush, but doesn't have to be. People trying to be tricky limp 77 and AA in that spot. JTs woulda limp/3b pf and most people don't 4-bet a FD outta position HU. If we just call the turn, then are we folding to a non pairing spade on the river? No. So, raise the turn, if he 3's call down and expect to win the moneys far more than your fair share of the time

Last edited by Scarface24; 10-31-2009 at 10:32 AM.
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10-31-2009 , 11:33 AM
Yup pretty much sums it up.

Ps. How do you flop so many sets?
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10-31-2009 , 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Munga30
Raise turn. Good lags have way more than spade draws to lag up this flop. If he 3! im calling down UI.

Your hand is too strong to not bet the river. If he gets in a kr with a flush, nh sir. Otherwise, I think he's missing some serious value from hands that you would call but check behind.

Hero doesn't "open" after limper(s), he raises.
What hands would a good lag pound this flop w/ after we have shown so much strength?

What hands would we check back the river with that 3b this flop?

I agree w b/c the river btw.
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10-31-2009 , 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Scarface24
There's no cap on the flop HU either but I'm insta raising the turn. We have top set, there's NO reason to narrow his range to a flush there. It COULD be a flush, but doesn't have to be. People trying to be tricky limp 77 and AA in that spot. JTs woulda limp/3b pf and most people don't 4-bet a FD outta position HU. If we just call the turn, then are we folding to a non pairing spade on the river? No. So, raise the turn, if he 3's call down and expect to win the moneys far more than your fair share of the time
+1
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10-31-2009 , 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by jkamowitz
Yup pretty much sums it up.

Ps. How do you flop so many sets?
Because I run like G-D
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10-31-2009 , 12:24 PM
dont be so fearful of being behind when a better hand is possible. raise the turn and calldown a 3bet. bet/call the river.

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Originally Posted by jkamowitz
Yup pretty much sums it up.

Ps. How do you flop so many sets?
man i have this friend that plays nl at the horseshoe in northwest indiana. whenever he calls me up and tells me about how he did, its always like so i flop a set, or i bet the flop and turned a set, or we got the money in and i was behind a bigger pair but i rivered a set.
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10-31-2009 , 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Scarface24
There's no cap on the flop HU either but I'm insta raising the turn. We have top set, there's NO reason to narrow his range to a flush there. It COULD be a flush, but doesn't have to be. People trying to be tricky limp 77 and AA in that spot. JTs woulda limp/3b pf and most people don't 4-bet a FD outta position HU. If we just call the turn, then are we folding to a non pairing spade on the river? No. So, raise the turn, if he 3's call down and expect to win the moneys far more than your fair share of the time
There is no card that can come on the river that I am folding to.

I always wondered about the rule -- if the hand started multi-way but ended up being h/u, is there a cap or not? I didn't want to ask at the time b/c I wanted him to bet the turn.
If I raise the turn as I should, he is pretty much checking to me any non-spade river. I assume I still b/c the river even if it completed many draws (like Kh for example) and check behind any spade if checked to.
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10-31-2009 , 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by MitchL
What hands would a good lag pound this flop w/ after we have shown so much strength?

What hands would we check back the river with that 3b this flop?

I agree w b/c the river btw.
Against a pohuist "hero" in an east coast 20 game expecting too many "good" turn and river folds? I would think a good lag could haveup any top or middle pair plus one spade, any limped pocket pair, crap like that. But that's really stretching the concept of good lag, so your point about how little there is in his range that we extract/protect best by raising the turn is well taken. If that's not your point (or even if it is) please say so.

Checking back the river could be AK, AQ, , KJ, JJ all with one spade. I have very little success trying to sexy in my live east coast 20 game so anything else you're willing to say about villian's river play would be appreciated.
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10-31-2009 , 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by pohuist
Because I run like G-D
Shuffle tracker based on patter mapper IMO
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10-31-2009 , 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by MitchL
What hands would a good lag pound this flop w/ after we have shown so much strength?

What hands would we check back the river with that 3b this flop?

I agree w b/c the river btw.
what do you think the odds are that villain is actually

good
lag
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10-31-2009 , 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by 175503
what do you think the odds are that villain is actually

good
lag
I make this point every time Pohuist posts a thread, but now I am just going to play along.
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10-31-2009 , 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by 175503
what do you think the odds are that villain is actually

good
lag
What would be your definition of good lag
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10-31-2009 , 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by pohuist
completed many draws (like Kh for example) .
Please explain how this completes a draw?
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10-31-2009 , 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by pohuist
What would be your definition of good lag
nobody who limp calls c/r/caps bets and c/c the river is who
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11-01-2009 , 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by pohuist
I always wondered about the rule -- if the hand started multi-way but ended up being h/u, is there a cap or not? I didn't want to ask at the time b/c I wanted him to bet the turn.
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The rule as I understand it is:
If anyone voluntarily puts money into the pot in a betting round (as opposed to posting or a blind) and the action in that round later becomes heads up there is a betting cap.

It can start three handed, bet raise, fold and it can be no cap on the betting.

If three handed it goes bet, call, raise, re-raise, fold, then no uncapped betting. The middle player calls and then folds, you max out raises at 3 or 4 whatever the casino allows.
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11-03-2009 , 02:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Cbarton
The rule as I understand it is:
If anyone voluntarily puts money into the pot in a betting round (as opposed to posting or a blind) and the action in that round later becomes heads up there is a betting cap.

It can start three handed, bet raise, fold and it can be no cap on the betting.

If three handed it goes bet, call, raise, re-raise, fold, then no uncapped betting. The middle player calls and then folds, you max out raises at 3 or 4 whatever the casino allows.
It varies from club to club. In most clubs the rule is as you state. In others, in the scenario you describe, because the player in the middle folds to the third bet, it is head-up before the cap is reached and so there is no cap.
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