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05-06-2016 , 09:02 AM

Smarty 2.0

adept

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 1,075

7-handed 25-50 game

V1: Huge fish, the main reason the game is going. Limps and cold calls 70% of hands pre. Rarely bets/raises with complete garbage (he'd rather call with it).

V1 limps UTG, all fold to me on button, I raise Q

on the button, blinds fold.

Heads up to flop

Flop: 4

V1 check, I check

Turn: 9

V1 leads, I?

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05-06-2016 , 11:16 AM

Lagatron

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Join Date: Apr 2016 Posts: 29

I like the flop check.

I would raise the turn. I think this could be the rare time he bets garbage. He has no reason to believe you will bet the turn. He has a wide range which could include worse pairs, flush draws, straight draws or worse, just hoping to take it down. I think you can comfortably fold to a 3 bet.

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05-06-2016 , 01:55 PM

LifeRebooted

grinder

Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 594

Raise turn and how you respond to a three-bet depends on UTG's post-flop tendencies.

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05-06-2016 , 09:30 PM

bipolarbearclaw

journeyman

Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 340

I would call twice no matter what comes.

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05-06-2016 , 11:43 PM

MacauBound

old hand

Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 1,786

What are villain's postflop tendencies? If he is the one you're eating off of, I would think you'd be paying attention to his play more than anyone else's.

If he just stabs at every pot when in position raiser checks back HU, and then barrels river, you could call turn and raise many rivers. His propensity to 3 bet turn is a consideration, but I'd think we'd at least want to raise turn. Calling twice misses too much value against many hands that will b/c w worse. Fun players see people xb and think its a license to steal.

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05-06-2016 , 11:46 PM

Stack

adept

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Call turn to raise a lot of rivers

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05-08-2016 , 11:22 AM

lycosid

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R/f turn. Calling is hoping that he value bets twice with a weak pair, or barrels with a draw. I don't think either is that likely. Your also not getting three bet by anything you have outs against.

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05-08-2016 , 12:18 PM

phunkphish

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Villain sounds very simple, hence why you can raise-fold.

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05-11-2016 , 10:55 AM

NedSchneebly

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i'd bet flop bet turn

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05-11-2016 , 10:55 AM

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NedSchneebly

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In general, you want stronger hands to check back this flop with

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05-11-2016 , 01:23 PM

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Man of Means

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 5,107

Based on read that villain rarely bets garbage, what reason do we have to believe that he'd start doing this now? Probably has a pair, is emboldened to bet it because you checked rag flop.

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05-11-2016 , 01:49 PM

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jdr0317

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Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 8,231

I can't imagine most villains would fold a pair to this line on this board, nor can I imagine most villains three betting with a hand that doesn't have Q9 in terrible shape.

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05-11-2016 , 05:14 PM

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ZOMG_RIGGED!

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Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 17,504

Waiting until the river to raise could cost a bet when he's just betting the turn with a club because you checked back the flop and the 9 isn't supposed to be scary

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05-11-2016 , 05:18 PM

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jdr0317

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Originally Posted by ZOMG_RIGGED!

Waiting until the river to raise could cost a bet when he's just betting the turn with a club because you checked back the flop and the 9 isn't supposed to be scary

Also misses value from hands like 64 that's betting the turn because he thinks it's the best hand and calling the raise because wtf can you possibly have.

Raising turn is just so much better than delaying until the river in this spot.

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05-12-2016 , 06:32 PM

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Stack

adept

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both great points

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05-12-2016 , 07:20 PM

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asmitty

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Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 4,447

Raise turn and bet most rivers. You should not call a 3bet.

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05-12-2016 , 07:21 PM

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holmfries

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Originally Posted by asmitty

Raise turn and bet most rivers. You should not call a 3bet.

I like it.

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05-20-2016 , 03:36 AM

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dboy23

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Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 3,754

easy turn raise.

I like a delay cbet here if he isn't the type to bluff much after a checkback. Could also consider checking all the way down but I'd prefer to have something like a medium Khi for that line.

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