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09-04-2010 , 11:11 AM

gaming_mouse

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Hadn't been playing long, so no reads really, but we can assume the button 3b range is a typically wide online one.

Full Tilt Poker $10/$20 Limit Hold'em - 7 players
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Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is BB with Q

2 folds, MP raises, 1 fold, BTN 3-bets, 1 fold, Hero caps!, MP calls, BTN calls

Flop: (12.5 SB) 2

(3 players)
Hero bets, MP raises, BTN calls, Hero calls

Turn: (9.25 BB) T

(3 players)
Hero checks, MP bets, BTN raises....

Hero's plan?

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09-04-2010 , 12:22 PM

CaptainJerry

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without reads i would fold it

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09-04-2010 , 12:48 PM

samdash

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Mandatory 3-bet

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09-04-2010 , 12:49 PM

CardSharpCook

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Looks like a fold.

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09-04-2010 , 02:07 PM

DpR

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I wouldn't fold, but I think you only have about 27% equity.

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09-04-2010 , 03:01 PM

pokerjeebus

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Does anyone 3bet the flop since it's multiway still and it kinda forces everyone else to play their hand more honestly on the turn?

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09-04-2010 , 06:20 PM

Pid Koker

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To clarify: checked turn with intention to call or checkraise? I think I fold here: we're really only ahead of AJ at this point, along with some spade/overs combos. Yeah, BTN range is wide, but I think he's playing more honestly on the turn here a lot of the time.

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09-04-2010 , 07:26 PM

MitchL

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Originally Posted by pokerjeebus

Does anyone 3bet the flop since it's multiway still and it kinda forces everyone else to play their hand more honestly on the turn?

yes.

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09-04-2010 , 11:52 PM

CardSharpCook

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Originally Posted by pokerjeebus

Does anyone 3bet the flop since it's multiway still and it kinda forces everyone else to play their hand more honestly on the turn?

Its already been coldcalled. If you think you're ahead, you've got reverse position on the raiser and can check raise the field on the turn when bets are worth twice as much. Maximizing multi-way pots when you're ahead is a skill that can add a tenth or two to your BB/100 win rate.

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09-05-2010 , 12:16 AM

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DosXX

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Originally Posted by CardSharpCook

But now button can win the pot with AJ since he can overplay his hand and get you to fold. Don't discount the ability to make your opponents play their hands faceup.

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09-05-2010 , 11:59 AM

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Chris Daddy Cool

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No way im folding given how you played the flop... There are certain players in the button's shoes that will blast away on the turn pretty lightly in this spot

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09-05-2010 , 02:13 PM

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pokerjeebus

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Originally Posted by Chris Daddy Cool

No way im folding given how you played the flop... There are certain players in the button's shoes that will blast away on the turn pretty lightly in this spot

This, your hand does not look strong to the villains at all. It's not hard to picture a scenario where mp has like 77 or a pair and button has like AJ or even a flush draw with the Ts.

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09-05-2010 , 02:47 PM

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Makunouchi1

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Originally Posted by Chris Daddy Cool

No way im folding given how you played the flop... There are certain players in the button's shoes that will blast away on the turn pretty lightly in this spot

So what would you do re-raise?

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09-05-2010 , 06:34 PM

#14

swifttarrow

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As played, I'd showdown. But tbh, I'd just go head and 3bet this flop for the reasons described. Your going to lose action the times you are ahead and a K/A turns and villain checks turn with stuff like QJ/JT/TT-77. Their range isn't so narrow as to only be JJ-AA (i.e. it's not like your crushed given the action thus far), so push your equity edge.

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09-08-2010 , 07:09 PM

#15

jesse8888

Yes, you barred

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I'd 3-bet the flop but I'm a fish at this level.

As played this is a catastrophe but folding seems nuts.

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09-10-2010 , 08:07 PM

#16

stacksexperience

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calldown mode on

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