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02-05-2009 , 03:42 PM

brick

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Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 3,889

20/40 live playing sorta tight except for this hand.

3 limps, I raise K

in the SB, BB calls, limpers call.

5 to the flop: T

I bet, BB calls, EP limper raises he plays tight and decent most of the time, LP calls, I 3-bet, BB calls 2 more, EP says "Now that's a real hand" and calls. LP calls.

4 to the turn: 7

I bet, now BB thinks for about 10 seconds before raising. She plays a ton of poker and is just ok. She's prone to spew once in a while, but she has been playing tight tonight.

The other two players fold. I fold.

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02-05-2009 , 03:49 PM

9.5fingershuffle

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Aiya! Can't this be 2 pair?

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02-05-2009 , 04:22 PM

n.s.

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Well, you are getting 14:1 immediate odds, and 7.5:1 effective odds if you call down unimproved. You could be ahead of a big semi-bluff, have as much as 8 outs against 2 pair, or be drawing dead. She'll check the behind the river sometimes when she is ahead.

Add in the "just ok" and "prone to spew once in a while", and I think I have to see a showdown here.

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02-05-2009 , 04:55 PM

brick

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but I'm drawing dead to so many hands!

Last edited by brick; 02-05-2009 at 05:12 PM. Reason: and have two outs against so many others.

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02-05-2009 , 05:29 PM

spino1i

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ewww.. i hate folding here unless she is the biggest of nits. Its a bad spot. I probably just call the flop raise and donk the turn. I think getting lots of money in on the flop oop where you might only have a small equity edge against some strong draws is a mistake.

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02-06-2009 , 07:54 AM

Fiasco

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7.5 to 1 to call down. She played this EXACTLY like a flush draw. If I were to ask you "what could a player do to indicate that she had a flush draw?" Youd say "well, shed call a bet on the flop and then call two more cold on the flop, and then raise the turn with two more players to act behind her when the flush card hit".

There are possible worlds in which this is merely a straight or a set. This is only two pair or a semibluff basically never.

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02-06-2009 , 09:14 AM

private joker

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I think folding is perfectly fine.

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02-06-2009 , 09:54 AM

AragornX151

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I agree with PJ -- I'm folding unless the player is tricky and/or aggressive. Her line screams draw on the flop, and both clubs and some wacky 89/58 BB-esque hands got there. I think it's overly optimistic to say, "but she might have two pair!" and call, and then call plenty of rivers too. Very few live players of this description are raising a low two pair on the turn given the action/board.

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02-06-2009 , 03:11 PM

andyfox

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Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 21,553

I also agree with PJ. This nittyesque type is raising a board with three clubs on it with two players yet to be heard from behind.

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