Not sure if this is the right place for this thread. Im a 2/5 NL player at the Borgata in Atlantic City. I play full time, and average 5k a month. Been playing for 2 years. Im thinking about making the move to 20/40 limit at the Borgata, 5 days a week, 4 weeks per month. Ive played a lot of limit before and feel that I'm way above average at limit holdem. That being said, how much can I expect to average monthly playing 160 hours a month of 20/40 limit at the Borgata. Also, what is the 20/40 limit variance gonna be like week to week as compared to the variance in 2/5 no limit. Thanks for your advice/help/opinions.

The Borgata game has become a lot tougher in the last year. I suggest you try a few times and see if you can still beat it for as much as you think. There are very few people who beat it for more than 1BB/hour, so you stand to make about the same money as you do in NL. As far as variance goes, its easy to win/lose 2 racks. Compare this to your NL variance and decide for yourself.

Kool, thanks for the advice, I appreciate it. If anyone else has any thoughts please let me know as well. Thanks guys!

There is generally much more variance in lhe. You are better off staying with NL if you were a winner in the game. Also, did you keep this schedule playing NL? That is a pretty tough grind.

I always thought there would be more variance in no limit, Guess i was wrong. Ya, I love the grind though. My last job as an accountant sucked and I will never ever ever go back to the corporate world so this is wayyy better than that for me. I'd play 12 hours a day if it wasnt for my need to exercise and sleep lol

2/5 NL is a way easier game. At limit you are hoping for two or three fish at the table. At 2/5 NL you have at least 6 of them at every table. The only reason I haven't switched to NL completely is that the right limit doesn't exist for my skill level and bankroll. I can make more at 2/5 NL than I can at 15/30 or 20/40 limit, but not as much as I can at 30/60. But then 5/10 NL gets a little tougher and my in rate is no better than at 2/5. Stay where you are. It is a much easier place to make $40 per hour.

i think you should play both LHE and NL. that way you can switch it up whenever you feel burnt out or if one game is better than the other that particular day you can go play that.

The problem with playing both LHE and NLHE regularly is that plays that are bread-and-butter in one game are suicide in the other, and a player really, really needs to keep straight which game is which.

After playing a lot of limit, I get frisky and inappropriately aggressive in NL, playing hands like second-pair-top-kicker way too hard. After playing a lot of NL, I turn super nitty in limit, checking down hands like top two or even flopped sets when the third flush card hits.

It's doable, although I don't know anybody else in the Bay Area who does it. I make sure to play at least 1 session of each per week so I am fresh in each game.

I think it helps keep poker more enjoyable.

Started the year with a 30k tournament win and I'm hoping to end the year even.

I guess it could work but keep in mind you're kind of starting over. How many hours live or hands online and at what limits do you have to back up how you feel about your play? I only say this because you have to be better than just above average to not want to slit your wrists on a regular basis playing LHE. The variance sucks, and it sucks even more if you're not awesome. It's crazy, but although 20/40 plays so much bigger than 2/5, you won't make much more (if any) than you're making now. So bigger swings for equal or less money is what you're looking at.

You also have to be willing to go play at the taj sometimes because the borg game just isn't worth sitting in. This doesn't happen too often, but it does happen.

The last guy who tried to do this- went from playing the borg 2/5 full time as a solid winner to playing 20/40- is now playing 10/20. And playing 10/20 live full time falls somewhere between the second and third circles of hell.

I enjoy playing LHE much more though- it's more social than NL in my experience. You're usually playing with the same rotating cast of characters that you get to know pretty well, and at the borg they're an enjoyable enough group of people. Nobody's wearing sunglasses or staring each other down. And the hands move at a much quicker pace too. Rarely does anyone think for more than a few seconds before acting.

i think this is key when you face a lot of the same guys all the time. a lot of ppl go into autopilot and lose much of their edge. Like.. "player A wouldn't do this ever.. standard fold".

this type of stuff is a lot easier to do live than online where the hard evidence is logged and right in front of your face.

haha. This is a good point. But I don't think this is what vanman was talking about. (correct me if I'm wrong) but vanman was literally saying people don't hollywood before acting.

If you average 5k a month playing 2/5 why would you want to stop and play 20/40? I can see mixing it in once in a while buy obviously you are doing great at the 2/5 game. Also, I don't know how the hell you guys play live NLHE. You get 5 hands an hour.

^What I was going to say and what T.Angelo told me a while back when I asked him about this.

As a full time player, I would think that you really want to play in the best games possible and sometimes that might mean switching up games. Why play in a bad 2/5 nl game(is there such a thing???) when the 20 game looks superjuiced and vice versa. Plus it is nice to play a few other games to keep you from getting to burned out

Borg 20-40 is far from easy IMO. Definetly agree with what Pohuist and Vanman said. I find the game tough, but that's sort of what brings me back.

This is probably the reason that the variance is bigger a LHE, even though NL has the potential for bigger variance. Pushing mediocre hands and calling down thin in LHE with hands that go in the muck in NL is what I think gives LHE much greater variance. If you play that same way in NL then you will have huge variance.

You will have even less variance, imo.

I wish you'd elaborate on that because I don't get it. Folding has a variance of zero.

Consistently losing your stack every time has a very small variance, too.

Live NL is soooooooooooo boring. And I play a ton of hands pf!

You must play NL Harrington style. If you play more of an Ed Miller (SSNLH) stlye you wouldn't find it boring.

i like live nl because in between hands i can finish reading War and Peace

I've read nlhe theory and prac if that's whatt you're referring to. But I don't think there's a text that comes anywhere close to the forums in no limit. Regardless, live no limit is slow. No amount of putting a man to a decision for all his chips, running a big bluff or whatever makes up for 25 hands an hour and fewer decisions per hand.

I've frequently seen NL games below 2kNL that were getting less than 1 orbit per half hour

not sure if it's been said itt yet but lol live poker