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Originally Posted by hoppscot22
you arent paying off a river c/r with AK AQ here are you? there are cards that come off that you might not even bet.
i feel like that makes the c/c c/c c/r line a little more meh.
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Originally Posted by PokerBob
if 2 bricks hit and he c/rs, why would i fold? also, folding to a player like this in a spot like this creates a metagame disaster.
the more i think about this hand the more your response bothers me. if you played the hand this way and it went c/c c/c c/r against either of the "experts" you speak of if you call this river you are simply burning up money so saying that you would payoff is super hard for me to believe.
i feel like you just used the "metagame disaster" as a reason to back up not folding to the c/r because you are trying to justify the c/c c/c c/r line.
I would also like to point out that I dont even disagree that c/c c/c c/r might be the best line, so dont take this post like im bashing your idea on the hand.
I do however disagree that it is as cut and dry as you are making it seem and I think there are several lines that would be verrrry similar in EV.
My recent thoughts are that c/r b b might actually be better by 1 sb because i think that the expert might call the river with AK/AQ if it comes off blank blank. I do not think they would ever call the river if it went c/c c/r b or c/c c/c c/r.
In order to take the c/r b b line we need to have enough control to c/f to certain cards.
Granted all of this analysis doesnt really matter if you really truly believe that you (or the experts you speak of) payoff that river with AK/AQ (it just seems to me like against them it is horribly bad and wrong).
I agree completely that if the river c/r will get paid off then c/c c/c c/r is by far superior because it allows us to control how much money goes in the pot and also allows for probably the maximum number of bets to go in after we are fairly certain our hand is best.
