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11-13-2007 , 01:34 PM

nineinchal

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Borgata 10/20 on a Saturday night, Swami is drunk, like a skunk in a bunk, playing real junk, against a bunch of punks.

Hero in middle position with a black 44, folded to hero in MP, hero limps, one other caller to an on the button Swami. Swami raises, two callers.

Flop is A

, 4

Hero bets, other caller folds, Swami raises, hero calls.

Turn is a 2

, hero bets, Swami raises, hero reraises, Swami calls.

Rvier is a K

I check, Swami bets, hero?????

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11-13-2007 , 01:41 PM

JJH3984

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First of all, was it folded to you in MP, if so, I'd tend to fold pf.

I don't know who Swami or what your relative position is, but I'll assume that betting the flop is right. After he raises you need to threebet. Get as many bets in on the small street as possible.

As played I call the river.

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11-13-2007 , 01:46 PM

Penner

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Even drunk, does swami play junk? Not really.

I hate the open limp. Clear fold pre flop.

You have to pay him off because he can't put you on a set and he thinks his big ace is good.

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11-13-2007 , 01:46 PM

MDPokerAA

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Swami has AK around 50% of the time, especially given the way the hand is played. Would be quite surprised if he had a 5 or was on diamonds, but then again it could be player dependent. I have to imagine your good enough here to make a call. If he has AA, KK, or sucked out with some draw, so be it.

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11-13-2007 , 01:50 PM

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Even drunk, does swami play junk? Not really.

I hate the open limp. Clear fold pre flop.

You have to pay him off because he can't put you on a set and he thinks his big ace is good.

Pay him off? After the turn, my intention is to check raise him on the river.

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11-13-2007 , 01:50 PM

Moemar

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PreFlop, In MP, I wouldn't open limp this. I'd usually fold it, and sometimes come in with a raise. I don't like the open limp.

On the flop, I would reraise his raise. Get more bets into the pot, and maintain control of the betting.

As played, I called the river, but:

I don't know Swami. But he is drunk? Drunk enough to think that AK, AQ, or AJ is worth a river value bet here? I don't think he has a 5. If he has a set, you have to just pay him off. If he hit his flush, so be it. The pot is huge. Folding incorrectly would be a much bigger mistake than calling incorrectly.

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11-13-2007 , 01:53 PM

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I opened limped this with a few loosie goosie types to my left, including a very drunk Swami who likes to raise on the button.

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11-13-2007 , 02:15 PM

9.5fingershuffle

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I never understand why people slow down on the flop and then lead the turn.

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11-13-2007 , 02:19 PM

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I never understand why people slow down on the flop and then lead the turn.

to induce people to overplay TPTK and overpairs.

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11-13-2007 , 02:19 PM

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cgrohman - some people play that way to charge what they think are drawing hands. i personally would just never stop raising this flop.

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11-13-2007 , 02:35 PM

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I never understand why people slow down on the flop and then lead the turn.

to induce people to overplay TPTK and overpairs.

Since he is drunk. He can blow a 3.0 after the case of beer he consumed.

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11-13-2007 , 02:36 PM

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Why not either a) raise the flop again and lead the turn or b) c/r the turn? I think calling and leading makes little sense.

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11-13-2007 , 02:40 PM

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Why not either a) raise the flop again and lead the turn or b) c/r the turn? I think calling and leading makes little sense.

Because if he has an ace, he may raise the my turn lead. Especially if he has a king or queen kicker or aces up.

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11-13-2007 , 02:48 PM

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Why not either a) raise the flop again and lead the turn or b) c/r the turn? I think calling and leading makes little sense.

Because if he has an ace, he may raise the my turn lead. Especially if he has a king or queen kicker or aces up.

If this is the case, won't he put in more action on the flop? Why don't you just threebet then c/r or b/3b when he fourbets?

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11-13-2007 , 03:20 PM

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Why not either a) raise the flop again and lead the turn or b) c/r the turn? I think calling and leading makes little sense.

Because if he has an ace, he may raise the my turn lead. Especially if he has a king or queen kicker or aces up.

If this is the case, won't he put in more action on the flop? Why don't you just threebet then c/r or b/3b when he fourbets?

My read is that he may put in more action on the flop, but maybe not, since the Swami is very deceptive.

However, I have seen him cap the flop, and then take a freebie on the turn, so I ain't letting him do that, especially if he had AK, he would most likely raise my turn bet, with the deuce turn card.

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11-13-2007 , 03:21 PM

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Why not either a) raise the flop again and lead the turn or b) c/r the turn? I think calling and leading makes little sense.

Because if he has an ace, he may raise the my turn lead. Especially if he has a king or queen kicker or aces up.

...or if you 3 bet the flop he may cap it thinking that you on the FD and raise you on the turn anyway. Openlimping on MP with 44 is pretty terrible, you did and got lucky, great! Now gas it and give your opponenet a chance to make as many mistakes as possible. This whole post seems to be one majot brag about how you outplayed drunk Swami and i hope that was a highlight of your session.

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11-13-2007 , 03:22 PM

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nineinchal

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[quote This whole post seems to be one majot brag about how you outplayed drunk Swami and i hope that was a highlight of your session.

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Who says I outplayed him even though it sounds like I outplayed him?

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11-13-2007 , 03:24 PM

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a little off topic, but i think its kinda funny how when he's drunk he can be pretty tricky and good lagtag and when he's sober he's a completely predictable fit or fold TAG.

drunk swami = -EV! (for the table)

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11-13-2007 , 03:25 PM

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[quote This whole post seems to be one majot brag about how you outplayed drunk Swami and i hope that was a highlight of your session.

Who says I outplayed him even though it sounds like I outplayed him?

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No...it sounds like you outcard him and in the proccess outplayed yourself.

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11-13-2007 , 03:29 PM

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a little off topic, but i think its kinda funny how when he's drunk he can be pretty tricky and good lagtag and when he's sober he's a completely predictable fit or fold TAG.

drunk swami = -EV!

True, I was playing next table over from Swami this past Saturday, and he was drinking water. His stack was down to the felt.

That is very funny!!!

I'll tell him to suck down more Beck's as a helpful poker coach.

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11-13-2007 , 03:31 PM

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nineinchal

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I just called his river bet.

He tabled an 8

Drunk Swami=negative EV

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11-13-2007 , 03:34 PM

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Go Swami!!!!!!!!!!!

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11-13-2007 , 11:56 PM

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I just called his river bet.

He tabled an 8

Drunk Swami=negative EV

for what its worth the last time I played with Swami regularly was more than a year ago when he went on the wagon, he would never raise a flop with an A if he has nothing but a flushdraw after someone donked into the field, he was too weak-passive.

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11-14-2007 , 06:31 AM

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nineinchal

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I just called his river bet.

He tabled an 8

Drunk Swami=negative EV

His hand ranges open up when he's loaded, as well as much more aggressive style emerging.

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11-14-2007 , 11:00 AM

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lol Swami isn't betting this river with AK. At least not sober. He's the type of guy that autochecks AK/AA on the river because "the hand is over."

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