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08-19-2009 , 09:09 PM

jesse8888

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live ten handed 30/60. I open black aces like 14 spots from the button and a fish cold calls. Villain, a female prop from San Jose who plays alright and is certainly, certainly, certainly a winner in the current lineup 3-bets me from like the lowjack or earlier. A super fish calls 3 cold in one of the blinds and I cap it up. All call to the flop of:

K

BB checks, I bet, only villain calls.

K

- Q

I check/call

K

- Q

- A

I bet to 3-bet. Thoughts?

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08-19-2009 , 09:27 PM

175503

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no

bet the turn

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08-19-2009 , 09:32 PM

jesse8888

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Originally Posted by 175503

no

bet the turn

How would I respond to a raise in what will be a 12 big bet pot?

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08-19-2009 , 09:35 PM

gaming_mouse

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i play it the same.

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08-20-2009 , 12:17 AM

RudeboyOi

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c/c the turn is much better than b/c vs a standard tag 3betting range of AQ+ TT+ against an EP open. i like the b/3b on the river cause the same hands that would bet the river will also raise the river and we still get one bet out of hands that would check back the river.

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08-20-2009 , 12:23 AM

jesse8888

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My reason for check/calling the turn is that I quickly determined that if I bet and was raised, I would have to fold.

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08-20-2009 , 12:41 AM

RudeboyOi

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Originally Posted by jesse8888

My reason for check/calling the turn is that I quickly determined that if I bet and was raised, I would have to fold.

i think we gotta b/c the turn and c/f the river if we bet the turn. at least c/c, c/c gets us to showdown.

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08-20-2009 , 01:00 AM

lolmitHE

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I played something a little similar at bellagio some months ago. CO opened 6 handed, I 3b aces in the sb and the bb calls, co calls.

I check the KQJ two of not my suits. Bb bets, co folds and I proceed to check/call down, and really almost folded the river even though it came xx. I was in the 9 seat and picked up my cards as I was deciding. The dealer saw them and gave me a wtf look. I laughed and called and of course lost to kq.

SS - wanna get into hands that we beat, get three streets of value from, and don't bet the turn once it comes a Q?

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08-20-2009 , 01:06 AM

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I think you should c/r to 4bet instead of b3b the river....You're gonna get 3b by a LOT of FHs when you c/r.

SS sez that Tx is only gonna call when u donk the river, but will always b/c when checked to...And he's right

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08-20-2009 , 01:24 AM

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bakku

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Originally Posted by lolmitHE

this hand is pretty different as ranges are much wider here than in the OP

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Originally Posted by boc4life

this was my first thought as well. when you b/3b you're pretty much never getting 4b by anything, but c/ring will let you get 4 bets in a lot of the time when they have full houses

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08-20-2009 , 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by boc4life

n0 idea who this ss guy is or w/e but he seems pretty cool. i know i wanna hang out with him alot now

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08-20-2009 , 02:17 AM

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jesse8888

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Originally Posted by boc4life

If I check/raise and get 3-bet against this opponent I am calling, not 4-betting, because she has pocket queens or a straight flush I didn't see. She will not 3-bet even Kings full of Queens on this board I don't think. My hope was that the donk would get 3 bets out of the full houses instead of 2. I don't want 4 bets going in.

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08-20-2009 , 04:37 AM

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I'm pretty sure I know who villain is, haven't played much w/her but seriously, against pretty much anyone you'd need to 4bet. Your hand looks like TT. If she 3bets she's as likely to have KK as QQ (maybe twice as likely), and that doesn't even begin to count AQ/KQ/QJ/JJ.

She is 100% to bet the river when you check, please 4bet if she 3s.

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08-20-2009 , 04:43 AM

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I say play it like you did only because a busted flush who managed to pair up or anyone with a 10 is gonna play it same way as for fear to a full house. And if she is as good as you say in OP, then that would make sense

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08-20-2009 , 10:43 AM

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- Q

- A

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If I check/raise and get 3-bet against this opponent I am calling, not 4-betting, because she has pocket queens or a straight flush I didn't see.

What straight flush would that be?

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08-20-2009 , 11:17 AM

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jesse8888

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Originally Posted by FondueBar

What straight flush would that be?

One that I missed because I didn't read the board correctly.

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08-20-2009 , 11:28 AM

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She is 100% to bet the river when you check, please 4bet if she 3s

It is so much easier to stick 3 here then 4. All FH's will raise that river donk but most of them will think twice if you CR considering OP's view of a villain:

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If I check/raise and get 3-bet against this opponent I am calling, not 4-betting, because she has pocket queens

If she is aware of that "read" she should be confidently folding JJ to a CR!!!

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08-20-2009 , 12:03 PM

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1.) I can't wrap my ****ign head around how to properly use linear mode.

2.) Love the river plan.

3.) I want to do something other than bet the flop. Does this make me ******ed?

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08-20-2009 , 12:06 PM

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9.5fingershuffle

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Oh yea, the turn. We beat 1010 AK and AJ if it feels like calling a bet. Im with Jesse on not wanting to fold, and therefore I think we must check-- she still bets AK etc so we are not really losing very much value.

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08-20-2009 , 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jesse8888

How would I respond to a raise in what will be a 12 big bet pot?

If you use this logic you should fold the turn 'cause the pot is even smaller when you check. You still beat a lot of her range, so h/u I would bet/call. As played, I like your river plan.

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08-20-2009 , 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jesse8888

Pretty sure I know who this and she spew it up and she is not a particularly good hand reader.

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08-20-2009 , 07:58 PM

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I still think the turn is what this thread is about and still think the range that we get 2BB of value from that doesn't bet the turn when checked to is tiny.

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08-20-2009 , 10:04 PM

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bdaddy

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I think this hand is xprt

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08-20-2009 , 10:21 PM

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MRDCHAN

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She just calls her entire range on this flop?

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08-20-2009 , 11:52 PM

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Yads

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I like it.

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