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I open KQ of black in middle position. 2 guys cold call behind me and the passive big blind 3 bets. We all call.

Flop: Q75

Big blind bets and I raise. I thought this was an interesting decision point. The 2 guys behind both call, bb 3 bets and we all call.

Turn: J

Big blind bets and everyone calls.

River:2

Big blind checks and I check.

1st 3 streets look good. i'd bet river.

Given read, BB rarely has a worse hand after 3b flop and bet turn.

I think the flop raise is close and could be swayed back and forth to call depending on a number of things:

Bb cbet range
Ccers likelihood to flop gunshots w the 7 and 5
Ccers likelihood to flop 5 outers w the 7 and 5
Bb likelihood to miss river value when you raise flop because "this malaca dealer kill me all the days" vs you c,c,c.

If I am playing well I check. If I am off my game I bet the river and lose to AA/KK very often.

Agreed, the flop is interesting.

As played though, by the river, AK makes a ton more sense then the scared AA/KK.

I'm betting river.

If it's HU, I just call flop, but I raise here. Too many hands (JJ, AK) you are beating and cold callers need to pay to draw out. Once raised I just call down.

On the river, it's likely close as to whether you have BB beat, but you are beating cold callers 90%, so bet. The times you lose to AA/KK should be offset by the times QT, JT and random middle pairs call.

Good point on the other players in the hand DC. I was looking at just the BB in a vacuum.

This is the kind of hand that I think makes LHE so interesting so thank you for posting!

I think your decision point is here. This is your chance to get away from the hand. If you call the 3bet, you are likely calling all the way down depending on how the board runs out.

I just don't see your hand being ahead 4-way in this spot. I put Villain in the BB on AA, KK or AK hearts. I also think there is a strong possibility one of the other 2 villains is calling down with AQ. You are also getting drawn out on any flush and several straight combos.

I'd fold to the 3 bet on the flop.

I do not think there is enough value to be the river IMO. The only hand you beat is AKh in the BB's 3 bet flop range. His river check back feels like either the missed heart draw that will not pay off, or a nitty AA or KK which has you crushed. If you bet the river, it feels like the two behind you would fold given the action the BB and you put in on previous streets. I would rather entice the two behind you to bluff at it or bet with worse and see what the BB does and call down.

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+1

This is not good advice because pot odds. You are too pessimistic about the situation. We are usually behind when the flop gets 3 bet but we still have to continue, the pot is large, hand is well played IMO

I think a third interesting question is what to do if bb bets the river. We're good almost never but the pot is so big. I feel like it's a fold but pretty close.

I think because of the pot size it becomes an auto crying call just in case the BB has a WTF moment and tries to push AKh through as a bluff...especially if you have demonstrated the ability to fold those spots.

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Depends on how you define passive. Most people I think of passive dont three bet the flop with AKh and then barrel ui once three people get to the river

Like if heads up at the river and he bets you can just whatever call for sanity. Most passive players don't 3b, b, b into 3 other players

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But I'd definitely check back the river. I think flop raise is fine if BB's range is pp heavy (99+) and spew if he only three bets preflop megamonsters (JJ+). It's probably fine.

Betting river against a BB 3 bet / b3b Q hi flop range is suicide and he most likely have a MUBSy overpair.

No way

We're in rough shape for sure, but there's going to be 24.5 sb in the pot by the turn. Even with this, we're getting the direct odds to call and see it:

ProPokerTools Hold'em Simulation

600,000 trials (Randomized)

board: Q75

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
AQ, AA, KK, QQ	46.18%	275,660	2,972
KcQs	9.22%	53,251	4,262
QxRx, KQ, QJ, QT, Q9, 98, 8x6x, 9x6x, 4x3x, 6x4x, 6x3x, hh, 77, 55, Qx7x, Qx5x, Qx7x, 7xRx, 5xRx, A7, 87, 76, A5, 65, 54	22.30%	131,257	5,099
QxRx, KQ, QJ, QT, Q9, 98, 8x6x, 9x6x, 4x3x, 6x4x, 6x3x, hh, 77, 55, Qx7x, Qx5x, Qx7x, 7xRx, 5xRx, A7, 87, 76, A5, 65, 54	22.30%	131,236	5,127

We are in bad shape getting 13.25:1 on the turn, but I'd expect we've close to the 7% eq needed. Even if my above ranges are gospel, we're at around 6.33% eq on the Jc turn. If he ever has something like AhKh, we have 8.2% and have to call. Especially if he's going to not fire the river (and we get to show down). This being said, calling the three bet on the flop and folding turn is a far more reasonable plan than raising "to see where you're at" and folding to 3 bets on the flop getting fifty billion to one.

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nh op

I would play it the same way you did. Nh.

I play it the same way but wonder if flop should be a call. Passive players may not have AK here nearly often enough here to make raising correct. (they may not 3bet pre OOP; they may not cbet on flop) We don't exactly need protection against JJ/AK; we should be more worried about letting the coldcallers continue cheaply. But based on the equity calculations, seems like we could be doing the worst equity wise.

nh as played otherwise.