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Hollywood park top secret stakes.
Notes: hijack is fairly new to the game. He appears basically average, which means loose and bad.
Sb: SB is a well known and well liked 2p2 moderator and midstakes player.
Hijack openraises. Sb 3 bets. BB calls 2 cold. Hijack calls.
Flop QJx sb leads. BB folds. Hijack calls quickly.
Turn blanks. Sb leads hijack thinks for a while and seems to consider folding, and then calls.
River is a K. What is the minimum hand sb should value bet here?
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AJ. Hijack seems to have some sort of Jack or lower pair. I'd think about betting JT but he's too likely to fold some of his worse jacks and smaller pairs. On the other hand, he's too likely to call with JT etc. that AJ needs to be bet. Anyway, this tightass mod wouldn't 3bet JT here.
Some people here are of the mind that nobody ever folds any pair ever, in which case you should be valuebetting accordingly, certainly any jack that the aforementioned tightass mod would 3bet if said mod were momentarily possessed by someone else's threebetting range.
--Nate
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wtf king does villain have amirite?
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nate, were you the smart kid in class that the teacher never wanted to call on because she wanted to give the other kids a chance to get the right answer?
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I think it's pocket tens actually. That takes away a lot of his AT hands which is our only real concern here I think. Sure he'll show us a jack a lot of the time, but he doesn't have a jack way too often. I think it's an underpair a ton of the time.
he should virtually never have KT, AK, or really any hand with a K in it, besides maybe K9. I think a Q wouldn't think so long on the turn. He really appeared to be contemplating a fold.
I just felt like his behavior was so genuinely weak. The pot is gonna look big to him if he has any hand that flopped a pair, so he's gonna wanna try to make 2 pair on the river, or call down and hope his hand is good.
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Can't put AK out of the range of HJ's hands, right? Hesitating to call with two overs and a gutshot on the turn. Still, I'd think AJ in the sb will take it down.
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I was going to say JT but I think it might be lower. Whenever you get instacalled like that on the flop you're up against a Jack at best.
Meh, I'm sticking with JT
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I I was thinking and if we can bet JT, what's HJ's opening range for a loose-passive? I think we should include AJ.
I think the difference between AJ and JT is how often you chop vs. how often you lose.
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nate, were you the smart kid in class that the teacher never wanted to call on because she wanted to give the other kids a chance to get the right answer?
Snowball--
Heh. Thanks.
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