This is why I posted the hand. My argument is passive fish cannot wait until the river oop to announce he has the 3. He tells me on the turn. He is proud he trapped me by just calling the flop. Or he tells me he has an ace on the turn. At the very least he leads the river. Nothing made sense, so I 3 bet.

He showed k 5.

Good times.

This is my first trip to the limit forums in years...SO WORTH IT.

I hope you don't remain results oriented and think this was a good river 3-bet. It's madness. Notice how nobody (GM flirted with it but didn't recommend it) said you should fold the river, because obviously there is a chance you win the whole pot when he's being ******ed, but it's really clear that you need to just bet/call.

Also Mike's theory to check behind the turn is very sound and I would certainly consider it as well.

Don't forget that QQ kind of makes sense too. Since people love limping UTG with big hands because they saw it on TV once.

Did you come because you searched your own name and saw that I wrote a post that just had the word "surf --" in it?

I do that too.

I hope you realize sometimes it's not madness.

Sometimes I feel so alone in the way I see poker. Although I believe in my heart of hearts, Mike L. gets me.

You win. I've learned something today. Passive fish go ape**** when they hit a flush on a trip board. You never stop learning in this game.

you, mike l, your luck boxes, and others like you are the reason I will be a 20-40 player in 2013.

That and because I have, to quote Charles Barkley....no talent. He actually said that when asked what was wrong with some NBA team. I love that guy. If he ever is paired with John daly in a pro-am I'm going.

I mean if I knew the fish played due to what showed on his screen as his hand ranking was and not its relative strength on the board I'll go like 8 bets on the river.

nh

Imagine what that guy would do with 22. IMR, that's a full house and a full house totally beats a flush. 16 bets it is!

He may have been tipped off by a fellow surfer.

i like this

ba ha ha

Caldarooni,

You got crazy lucky here. But I am kind of curious if this guy didn't realize that a boat beats a house, didn't realize that any pair is a boat bc of the trip board (I think this is likely), or randomly decided to turn his hand into a massive bluff (unlikely given passive description).

wow, i would never 3bet the river. good for you if you are able to peg this fish. the general fish slowplaying rule is to wait exactly one street to spring the trap. i.e. if he had a trey, you'd hear about it on the turn. usually he has an ace according to this rule.
more advanced fish will wait two streets with the (im)mortal nuts, like a nut flush or four of a kind.

this song enrages me because on some basic level i like it as an infectious pop song, but there are so many devious things i hate about its presentation, from the heavy handed, almost winking autotune to the name dropping of Jay-Z and Britney and USA. And now that I've seen the video hawking her slender legs and hips I'm hating myself for watching it twice.

song and river need to be remixed

This "i has a flush" spew is super standard among ******ed passive fish. A friend of mine told me about a hand he had where he had a big pocket pair, fish had KQcc on a 333 flop, caught his runner runner flush, raised the river and called the 3!.

I was, at most, only half joking in my original reply to this thread. I definitely agree with 3! river just in case against this sort of fish.

They're out there. Especially in live poker.

So you want 3 or 4 bets going in on the river on the off chance that villain is one of these types?

i agree that another verse needs to be written now that results have been posted.

Yes!

One of the skills in poker is knowing when to violate GTO play for maximizing weaknesses in our opponents. I thought it was pretty clear from OP that our villian is a total ******, so I think putting in the 3rd and 4th bet against this opponent in this hand makes us money in the long run.

Against a complete unknown, betcalling the river is obviously correct. However, that was not the description of villian in OP.

Orly? What was the description?

IC where this is going.

"Typical passive fish limps utg" - clearly loose passive and not tight passive, as he limped utg.

He also didn't pop the turn, which leads me to discount a 3 slightly.

Honestly this boils down to knowing more about the fish than we do, but the fact the turn didn't get popped and the fact that villian limped utg makes me think that the guy is enough of a mouth breather for me to put one more bet in on the end just in case.

The description says "typical passive fish". It doesn't say erratic fish who probably doesn't know the rules to Texas Hold Em. The river 3 bet is awful imo.

Really, this thread is getting silly. The 3b was a terrible mistake and it's not close. Arguing to the contrary is just being results oriented.

I said I thought he could easily have a flush before we got the results.

Whatever, I suck at poker.

Part of the problem here is that we are given an isolated hand and you don't give as much pertinent info as you should. I have had the pleasure of sitting with you and know your general table image enough to know what is really going on but the rest of the responders don't. I still think it is a spew but I can write another verse if need be. For now I have rewritten your intro so the rest of the forum will get it.


Typical passive fish limps utg, folded to me otb and I raise him for the 4th time in an hour as I have any other sorry limping fish from any position if I had the chance to isolate. I have shown down mostly winners but have also won a few pots without showdown all the while looking like the smooth ass pimp that I am. I haven't talked too much so far but it is pretty likely that they have noticed my calm demeanor and subtle grin that I have because I enjoy playing but also at times may tilt my opponents since it looks like I am thinking, "hi, my name is Caldarooni. I am going to take all the chips you have and then I am going to swing by your pad and bang your sister."