In the end, who hasn't dropped a couple or three grand in a 15/30 or 20/40 game in an afternoon? No shame in it. Embrace the pain.

Yeah I admitted on some level I enjoyed it... This just sucked because I'm set to win a nice sized pot five minutes in which would basically guarantee another 30-60 minutes of experience before being even again and thennnnnn there's his 3 outer! :\

3 outs, 5 outs, in limit it happens all day long.
Problem is not the 10% chance to lose on the river that hurts.
It is because you could not afford to lose this amount of money 10% of the time that makes it painful...

Ahh, I see you made it to the Parx game finally. Sorry I missed you!

As others have said, your two primary failings are that you're not 3Bing your stronger hands enough, especially against weaker opponents who will continue to shovel money in with the worst of it, and you're being too results oriented. A third thing that will help is getting better reads on your opponents (some are nits, some play ATC, some are passive, some will 3B 22 on any flop), but you'll have to pay your dues for that.

I will add that the Parx game generally plays looser than the west coast games the forum experts usually see, so that will color some of the advice you see here. But while your bankroll is low, you probably want to avoid some of the slim value situations anyway.

Dinesh, you need to come out to Colorado and play the 30/60 on a couple Friday nights, and then you'll have a new baseline for looser. And for people who might spite cap any two in a kill pot. Assuming ZOMG_RIGGED & quantph left any money behind.

Also, 5 outers are common in a game where 4 people are drawing to them. Collectively they have 15 to 20 which means you're walking home fairly often if your cab fare is on the felt.

I played in the Parx 15/30 game one time. I remember it was a great game and really crazy, and I got killed. I got KK 5 times, all in the blinds. Each time it had been 3 bet before it got to me, nobody had AA, and I still lost each hand.

Doug, visiting that game is on my to do list already, but I'll bump it up in my travel wish list! What nights are the ideal time to be there?

rob, too bad I hadn't met you yet when you came, I would have bought you a water.

It was at least 5 years ago when I visited. The room was still very new and I was curious what it was like so stopped in one time on my way from Atlantic City back to DC.

You should ask quantph for the current details. I haven't been for a while. Assume Thursday, Friday, and Saturday evenings are the wild times. Think the last time I played was like a Tuesday morning, and that was still good. If 50/100 goes, it is a special night. Think DrOlson makes it up on occasion. With only 1 or 2 tables, the chances of getting shut out on a list are real. Make sure you know when to show up. That's the down side of a smaller place with no ladder - ypu can't just go play some 20 while you wait.

Aside from what someone wrote in a forum description, the conceptual difference is that small stakes hands generally have multiway postflop play while midstakes is generally raiser vs blind or raiser vs 3-bettor. Also at midstakes the game is big enough to support pros so the top competition is good on an absolute scale, whereaz small stakes is too small so that the top competition is bad on an absolute scale.

15/30-20/40 has been pretty in-between IME.

It's just a single pot has never meant more to me than this, by a big margin. And don't get me wrong, I could have kept playing, there is an ATM there (yet to use it) and I still had some money in my pocket but I knew going in if I didn't get a few pots initially it was going to limit my maneuverability. For the record though the beat didn't even really bother me until the day after. The guy that took it down did seem recreational after a few hours of watching him.

But yes, 5, 10, 15% whatever, added up over even a few hours will result in a bunch of beats, which is understood, just the context of it all ya know?

Yeah, I took a shot. I posted most of the hands I played, although not too many tricky or marginal spots. It was spur of the moment too, and I was on the list playing NL just chipping up, playing well, I think.

Everyone at the table but one guy had 2-3k or more and I was the youngest by at least 5-10 years but, you know what, I enjoyed the experience, as much as I could losing a few racks and got an idea of what to expect next time. I'm sure I was pegged as a scared money TAG early on but can't say anyone was going for my throat, or anyone's for that matter, which definitely bought me some more time. I actually thought you were at the table when I played based on your handle name and what this guy looked like! Don't expect to see my any time soon, though. :|

DougL and Rob: you guys are East Coast players? Didn't know anyone else posting here had played at Parx at all, but honestly it is quite central to a lot of cities and states.

Well, I was there on Friday if that's the day you meant, but I don't remember playing with any new faces. I was (contrary to my assertion in the Parx thread) on the must move table for most of the night, and didn't hit the main game until midnight or so.

Doug is a west coast/mountain guy. Rob has moved all over, but I think he's mainly west coast and vegas now. There are a few Parx guys (or at least, guys who play at Parx on and off, but who also travel around) who post here, but not very many. AFAIK, anyway.

Correct. I live an hour away from the Ameristar in Blackhawk. I play with the Fun Bunch in Las Vegas, about one trip a year. Have played a couple sessions at Bay101. Used to make time to play at Sandia before NL killed the poker room there. Definitely a mountain time zone + west coast trip kind of guy. Getting me east of the Mississippi is tough. We Boulder types don't like leaving the mountains, in any case.

last trip back from blackhawk was fun. I have my son with me so they just have to swipe my hands at security, no big deal. Except that I tested positive for explosives twice. No idea if its the reason but they said if you spend a lot of time up in mountains and old mining towns there's a lot of same elements in the air which are found in explosives that can create a false positive test. So then I get to go to the back for the full body pat-down and have them hand check all my bags so now I get to worry about all the potential fun civil-forfeiture problems coupled with existing problem at hand. Fortunately, was no big deal and nothing happened but was definitely scary at the time.

Sat around 3:00 a.m. Saturday morning. I was denied entry by a bouncer at a bowling alley for 100% no good reason (LOL) so needed something else to do.
You were playing with a few asian guys yes?

Haha, the table is almost always filled with at least a few asian guys. Sometimes it's all asian - that's when I pull out my half-indian card to avoid getting singled out!

My poker tracker tells me that I busted out (heh) just after 2am sat morning, so unless you have your times wrong by an hour or so, probably not me. But I do look a lot like my icon. No goatee atm though.

I'm likely to be there tomorrow night for all the election funness too. Not this weekend though. Shout out if you see me.

Poker tracker for a live game?

Yeah, me and you were about an hour apart it sounds like. But the white guy with glasses must have been there, already running bad I assume because by the time I played you could tell it was a tough night for him. One pot a guy runnered nut flush with just an Ace of diamonds on the flop, which was 3-4B most streets. Pokerz funnn!

Is limit hold 'em in NYC dead?

I only play weekends (Friday/Saturday nights, occasional Sunday) but there's almost always 3 tables running by 630 or thereabouts on those days, most of the time a 4th table gets started around 830ish. And Bravo tells me that many week nights have 2 or 3 games, rare to have only 1 30 game running at night.

50/100 is not that rare anymore, goes almost every weekend now. There's often a lot of maneuvering around that table as all the grinders try to decide if the game is gonna begood, it only takes 2 terrible players and the sharks sit down. Can be a bit mixed, sometimes I'll let 7 solid players play 50, softens up the 30 game. Bunch of the Toronto grinders will play short and game start, one the Reno guys (2+2 lurker) will play it too. Maybe during the week showing up at the right time is important but not so much on the weekend.



I try not to leave the safety of the bubble unless there's a poker game involved

Nice subtle brag in there.

Welcome to the forums. Getting berated repeatedly by better players is a great way to learn imo, so embrace it. Lol. Maybe I'll see you at Parx or Borgata sometime.

Pretty much. There's the one Manhattan game that goes twice a week and I think there's a few smaller games still.

Anyone interested in doing weight loss bet? Looking to do something easy enough for both parties to win so nobody has to profit but has to be extremely bloody if you lose. Ideally in the can't afford to lose ballpark

I don't have the self control to sign up for that. And life is too busy as well.

I'm interested.